Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-12 Thread Mary Libertin
John Sowa and Peirce-l, The discussion about The Thing in Itself has been interesting. I think you’re right to remind some of us of the importance of biographies and the history of time when determining what Peirce and Kant “really” said about things-in-themselves. You demonstrate the value of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-11 Thread John F Sowa
Jack, I agree with you, especially about the bickering. But when I said that the details are not important, I meant the tons of quotations. You won't discover why Kant and Peirce disagreed about the noumenon just by reading what they wrote -- or any commentary by any scholar of either or both.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-10 Thread Gary Richmond
Jon, Jack, John Shook, List, I also concur with John Shook's critique of Jack's latest argumentation. While Jon's message here should at least put to rest what Peirce's position is in this matter (although it no doubt won't), his succinct summary of that position (especially when taken along with

[PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jack, List: John Shook's assessment of your latest argumentation is spot-on. The two different perceiving objects do not perceive two different "copies" of object 1, they both directly perceive the very same object 1 itself. However, their different perceptual perspectives and faculties give them