Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-04 Thread Gary Richmond
Helmut, Gary F, John S, list, Helmut asked: " ​ But I have not understood, what people mean by "metaphysics". Is it the same as "transcendence"?" First, to answer your second question, for Peirce metaphysics is most certainly *not* *transcendence* if by 'transcendental' one means experience or ex

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-03 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/2/2017 8:31 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: [Metaphysics is] "First in dignity, last in the order of learning": What is meant by "learning"? Is it the learning of the researcher, or the learning of the pupil, who is being taught by the researcher the results of the research? The word Aquinas use

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Kirsti, John, Tommi, List, "First in dignity, last in the order of learning": What is meant by "learning"? Is it the learning of the researcher, or the learning of the pupil, who is being taught by the researcher the results of the research? I think, that trying to find out what is behind nature

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread kirstima
There is a link between ideas of recursion and that of cyclical arithmetics. Has this not been recognized? Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 2.9.2017 20:53: On 9/1/2017 6:37 PM, Tommi Vehkavaara wrote: I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this di

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-02 Thread John F Sowa
On 9/1/2017 6:37 PM, Tommi Vehkavaara wrote: I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this diagram, because in it, metaphysics is presented rather as the last philosophy, instead. I googled "prima philosophia" and found an interesting discussion

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-09-01 Thread Tommi Vehkavaara
John, list You wrote: "Those dependencies are important to emphasize, especially for anyone who might claim that ontology is prima philosophia." I do not see how those who take ontology as the first philosophy could be convinced with this diagram, because in it, metaphysics is presented r

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-31 Thread John F Sowa
On 8/31/2017 6:41 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: FZ: About Sowa’s classification of the sciences, compared to Peirce’s, I don’t see something new. I strongly agree. I was *not* attempting anything new. And I was most definitely *not* attempting to produce a classification of the sciences. I did no

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's classifications of the sciences

2017-08-30 Thread gnox
Kirsti, John, Tommi, list, Kirsti, your objections to John’s diagram seem to be based entirely on terminological choices. But in the case of “phenomenology” you haven’t suggested an alternative you would prefer. I don’t think “phaneroscopy” would work very well in that slot, for people who a