Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Agreed - uniformity and habit-taking are negentropic. But Firstness is entropic in nature. The habits are not Mind but are the result of the actions of Mind. Mind has three properties: Firstness, Secondness,

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

Edwina, Clark, List: ET: To the contrary, Mind ends up as generalities. "In endless time, it is destined to think all that it is capable of thinking.a generalization of order" 6.490 Since Mind refers to the 'habit-taking capacity' then, what appears to be the ultimate limit, in my view, is

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

Clark, list - at the moment, I'm going to disagree - that is, I'm not entirely convinced by your outline. The way I see it, is that Mind doesn't 'end up in the Final Interpretant phase' as particular instantiations. To the contrary, Mind ends up as generalities. "In endless

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

> On Apr 5, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Clark Goble wrote: > > I know that was all long, but I want to return to Edwina’s initial comment > that firstness is both chance and entropy. For Peirce, I’ve hopefully shown, > those are actually opposed. Firstness is what violates entropy.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > > That is - I am also suggesting that Firstness is not simply quality, feeling, > chance - but - is entropy. Could you unpack that a little more? I *think* I understand what you’re getting at — how chance undermines

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

Edwina, List: ET: That is - I am also suggesting that Firstness is not simply quality, feeling, chance - but - is entropy. I guess I need to get more up to speed on how Sign-action works in the physico-chemical and biological realms before we can tie up this particular loose end. Please keep

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }See my comments: 1) ET: But what happens when an instantiation is isolated from interaction with other instances? JAS: This sounds like "existing outside semeiosis." Is that even possible? Once a Sign is "born"--determined by

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }See my replies: 1] ET: I agree with the above outline - except, again, for my concern over confining the Sign-as-a-triad to its internal composition. I'm thinking of, for example, a paramecium. Is it, as an existential reality,

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Jon, list - see my comments below: -- 1] ET: I think we have, remaining, ONE 'difference', which is in point 4 below. That is what I anticipated, but I thought it was important to confirm it so that we are not surprised if

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

Edwina, List: ET: I think we have, remaining, ONE 'difference', which is in point 4 below. That is what I anticipated, but I thought it was important to confirm it so that we are not surprised if and when it comes up again in the future. ET: I don't think that the Sign is only an INTERNAL

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Re: Sign as Triad vs. Correlate of Triadic Relation (Was semantic problem with the term)

BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } See my comments below - and yes, I think we are making progress in understanding each other's views better. I think we have, remaining, ONE 'difference', which is in point 4 below. -- On Sat 01/04/17 4:52 PM , Jon Alan