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2018-02-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., List: I am currently trying out in my own mind defining the Immediate Object as the *partial *combination of attributes of the Dynamic Object by which the Sign *denotes *it. It is partial because (as you said) knowing the DO in its fullness is an impossibility. It does not *itself *pred

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2018-02-08 Thread Gary Richmond
g., objective) is, I take it, being > explained in terms of the way the distinction is applied in the cases of > these relatively simpler kinds of things--largely because that is how > greater clarity can be achieved. > > > --Jeff > > > Jeffrey Downard > Associate Pr

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2018-02-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: Thanks for the additional explication of your model. I knew that I was oversimplifying it (again), so this is helpful. Regards, Jon S On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Edwina Taborsky wrote: > Jon, list - there's still quite a bit of disagreement. > > You are saying that I say th

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2018-02-07 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:05:40 PM To: Helmut Raulien Cc: Peirce List Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Representamen Discussion Helmut: Thanks for clarifying that. It sounds like by "the epistemic cut" you mean Peirce's distinction

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2018-02-07 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Jon, list - there's still quite a bit of disagreement. You are saying that I say that "all Signs [IO-R-II] are internal to an individual agent. But remember - I don't consider that this internal triad can exist

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2018-02-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Helmut: Thanks for clarifying that. It sounds like by "the epistemic cut" you mean Peirce's distinction between "the inner world" and "the outer world." Indeed, Edwina's model (as I understand it now) is that all Signs (IO-R-II) are *internal to an individual agent*--although it need not be a hum

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2018-02-07 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jon, List, I took the epistemic cut for the boundary of one´s mind (is that correct?), and taking it into account means to have to mention which parts of a sign are internal and which are external to it, as Edwina did. A representamen then is internal to a certain person´s mind. If you do not tak

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Representamen Discussion

2018-02-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Helmut, List: I am not sure exactly what you mean in this context by "the epistemic cut," and hence which model (Edwina's or mine) you see as taking it into account vs. ignoring it. Could you please clarify? Thanks, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosoph