Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-22 Thread Gary Moore
Stephen Rose, excellent comment! It boils down to the conventional versus the arbitrary. The central problem would seem to be when is and when is not the conventional convertible with the arbitrary, i.e., the conventional notion of a person, whether man or God, becoming an arbitrary sign like

RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-22 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Gary F., List, I think the argument at 6.303 rehearses Peirce's larger argumentative strategy, which is to draw on the formal relations examined in the phenomenology and the kinds of signs and principles of inference studied in logic as basis for setting up the principles of metaphysics. Once

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2014-06-22 Thread Skagestad, Peter
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-22 Thread Gary Richmond
List, And that *urge* which the poets point to (see Jon's and Eugene's posts), that *creative urge,* is not, as I see, only a matter of creation within the world once the cosmos has itself been brought into being, but that urge brings into being the very cosmos itself. That is, it's not just a

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2014-06-22 Thread Gary Moore
Thank you! Since I have little money, this reassurance is very welcome! I would have ordered the book if I had run across it at Amazon because it hits upon both Peirce and Scotus, both of whom are of great interest to me. And Scotus is relevant to the current theological discussion since Scotus

[PEIRCE-L] Jstor.org

2014-06-22 Thread Matt Faunce
Gary M., List, In case you didn't know, Jstor.org changed their policy about a year ago and now allows anyone to read full articles free of charge. The free membership—you just need to sign up—is restricted access: you can't download, but only read online, and you can only put four articles on

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Jstor.org

2014-06-22 Thread Matt Faunce
I wrote: you can only put four articles on your shelf, and there's a minimum period an article must stay on your shelf. Correction only three articles - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Jstor.org

2014-06-22 Thread Matt Faunce
I wrote: you can only put four articles on your shelf, and there's a minimum period an article must stay on your shelf. Correction only three articles on your shelf and each must stay 14 days. So choose wisely. When I'm maxed out I'll browse on jstor then see if I can find the article

[PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-22 Thread Phyllis Chiasson
My experience with NA has lead me to similar understandings. If God and love are synonymous terms, as even many fundamentalists will agree. And if love (justice) are Real forces as Peirce says, then love and/or God is (or can be) physically efficient. The future effects of said efficiency rely

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-22 Thread Matt Faunce
Here is William James in his lecture Is Life Worth Living? on the urge y'all are speaking of. Is it not sheer dogmatic folly to say that our inner interests can have no real connection with the forces that the hidden world may contain? In other cases divinations based on inner interests have

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-22 Thread Gary Richmond
List, I've copied below a few excerpts from Terry Eagleton's book, Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate, a work I've referred to on the list in the past when we've gotten into this sort of discussion. I've given each snippet a heading pointing to the topic being discussed.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-22 Thread Matt Faunce
On Jun 22, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: If I may lift a quote: What, in short, has the authority to debar us from trusting our religious demands? Science as such assuredly has no authority, for she can only say what is, not what is not; and the agnostic