Tom, lists, I accept the aesthetic interpretation of Mona Lisa you cited. But to some researchers, Mona Lisa embodies more than aesthetics but embodies also chemistry and physics, because Mona Lisa is a COMPLEX object. I think you may be referring to only one of the many aspects of a complex object. I believe that a complex object is characterized by the impossibility of its being completely explained on the basis of a given perspective.
All the best. Sung On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Ozzie <ozzie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sung, List ~ > According to some researchers, the specialness of Mona Lisa's smile comes > down to Leonardo's painting technique, which tricks the eye of the > observer. Mona's smile looks special because it defies logic. (See below > for a short excerpt.) > > Regards, > Tom Wyrick > > "The portraits’ mouths seem to change their slant thanks to a technique > called sfumato, which blends colors and shades to produce soft, gradual > transitions between shapes, without any clear outlines.... When a viewer > focuses on the subject’s eyes, the sfumato technique creates the illusion > of the lips slanting upward. But when you look at her lips themselves, they > seem somewhat pursed." > > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2015/08/14/mona-lisa-smile/#.Vd524MQ8KrV > > > > On Aug 24, 2015, at 6:30 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@rci.rutgers.edu> wrote: > > Hi Gary S, Gary R, lists, > > A thought just occurred to me that there may be a connection between the > beauty of Mona Lisa (holism) and the various chemical pigments > (reductionism) that constitute it -- namely, the organization of matter at > two distinct scales, one at the macroscopic scale and the other at the > microscopic. > > That is, what makes Mona Lisa beautiful is the way macroscopic pigment > particles are ORGANIZED on its canvas, while what makes the pigment > particles look colorful in Mona Lisa is the way microscopic particles known > as atoms are ORGANIZED inside each pigment molecule. > > If this analysis is right, the concept of ORGANIZATION may be of > fundamental significance at all physical scales and the consequence (or > function or meaning) of organization may depend on the physical scales > involved. In the case of Mona Lisa, the pigment ORGANIZATION on the canvas > results in beautiful visual sensations while the atomic ORGANIZATIONs in > pigment molecules result in desirable colors of individual pigments. > > Hence, I am tempted to conclude that > > "Organization is the FUNCTOR connecting the beautiful aesthetics of Mona > Lisa on the macrolevel and the colorful chemistry underlying it on the > microlevel." > > All the best. > > Sung > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@rci.rutgers.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Gary S, Gary R, lists, >> >> I agree that certain aspects (e.g., qualia) of Peircean semiosis cannot >> be reduced to mechanical terms, because life is more COMPLEX than physics >> or chemistry. But I believe that no semiosis is possible without physics >> and chemistry either, since, although the beauty of Mona Lisa is beyond the >> chemical reductionism, no Mona Lisa can exist without colored dye molecules >> having the right atomic organizations. So the challenging question may be: >> >> "When does beauty begin and chemistry end in Mona Lisa?" >> >> One possible answer that comes to mind would be: >> >> "Mona Lisa is the complementary union of anesthetics and physics." >> >> All the best. >> >> Sung >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Gary Shank <garysh...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Is this in addition to your ongoing errors of trying to portray Peircean >>> semiotics in reductionist and mechanical terms? >>> All the best, >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 24, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@rci.rutgers.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Gary, list, >>> >>> There is a minor error in Slide 23: >>> >>> R should be associated with quali, sin, and legi, and >>> >>> O should be associated with icon, index and symbol. >>> >>> All the best. >>> >>> Sung >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> List, >>>> >>>> Cary Campbell of the Semiotic Research Group posted this summary of a >>>> lecture, "Anticipation and Semiotics: One Cannot Not Interact" and >>>> gives a link to the accompanying ppt slideshow by Mihai Nadin (he >>>> inadvertently misspells his first name as 'Mihou') on that group's Facebook >>>> page. >>>> >>>> Many years ago I read a number of Nadin's papers and had a fascinating >>>> off-list discussion with him on his work, then focusing squarely on >>>> Peirce's semiotic theory and, as I recall, especially Peirce's >>>> understanding of virtuality. While Nadin has gone on to consider >>>> applications of semiotic theory to computer science, HCI, and other fields, >>>> it appears that his work continues to be 'grounded' in Peircean semiotics. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cary wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a super topical lecture from engineer/scientist/semiotician >>>> Mihou Nadin; quite inspiring. >>>> >>>> He talks about man’s current and developing relations with technology >>>> and how these relationships are slowly automating the human away; in which >>>> the emphasis has shifted, since his pioneering work in interfaces and AI, >>>> from making machines more like humans to making humans more like machines. >>>> >>>> This leads him to assert that the dynamism and complexity of life >>>> (Godel defines complexity as the ability to interact) is not reducible to >>>> the machine. Or in other words, signs (in the Peircean understanding that >>>> always open up something new to an interpreter) are not reducible to >>>> signals, which carry preformed and static data. Naturally, this calls for >>>> him to explore Peircian interpretative semiotics. >>>> >>>> Here is also a pdf of his presentation to accompany the video: >>>> http://www.nadin.ws/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/tartu_presentation.pdf >>>> <http://l.facebook.com/l/VAQGMDKVvAQGJ132n81efy1uUwZdfD1Jrw_TeQ0Vj6Gc8lA/www.uttv.ee/naita?id=22396> >>>> [image: Gary Richmond] >>>> >>>> *Gary Richmond* >>>> *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* >>>> *Communication Studies* >>>> *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* >>>> *C 745* >>>> *718 482-5690 <718%20482-5690>* >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON >>>> PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to >>>> peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . 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