Jerry, John, List,
There are copulas that donot need another agent besides A, B, C, D, like "to give", or "to take", which is transfer of property. But "to buy" needs other agents: Who defines the currency? Some state or bank or other institute E. The currency may have been picked by the market place, or (international trade, or crypto currency) by A, or C, or due to an agreement of both. Who has defined the cost of B? Maybe A is only the vendor, and some boss of A´s, F, has fixed the price. Maybe A has defined it, maybe A and C have negotiated it. Maybe there is a boss F, who is a person, or an institution, like an agricultural cooperative. "A gives B to C and C gives D dollars to A" does not say that this is a buying process, or the same buying process. It may also be, that both the good B, and the money, are gifts. Or that the dollars are not for B, but for a former trade good G, and the exchange simultaneity is due to the fact, that A and C are just now meeting, and C now has a month time to pay for B.
Best, Helmut
30. November 2021 um 18:45 Uhr
"Jerry LR Chandler" <jerry_lr_chand...@mac.com>
wrote:
"Jerry LR Chandler" <jerry_lr_chand...@mac.com>
wrote:
List, John:
Thank you for recognizing the nature of my concerns with respect to the meaning and importance of the word "grand” in the classification of notations for logics.
That being said, it is not clear how your response, precise thou it is, can be associated with the conceptual grounding of the different notations for logics that convey truth functions.
After all, the title of this paper includes the word “notation” which is a very very “deep” term in the conceptualizations of human communications.
Further more, one can puzzle about HOW MANY forms of relations are necessary for scientific communications that bear constitutive semantic and syntactical, geometrical nd non-geometric, terms?
In other words, the example of the verb “buy” must be replaced by a meaningful binary “copula” that associates polynomial predicates.
Cheers
Jerry
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