Jack, My criticisms have nothing to do with logic, yours or anybody else's. They are based solely on the history of science from the 18th century (Hume and Kant) to the enormous progress in the late 19th c. and the revolutionary developments in the 20th and 21st. I'm cc'ing note to Peirce List, since it's important to emphasize this issue in a broader forum.
As Kant himself said, Hume's critique of causality awakened him from his "dogmatic slumber" and inspired his desire to establish an "a priori" foundation for causality. That was Kan't fundamental error. The progress of science for the past two centuries provides overwhelming evidence for (a) the existence of laws of nature and (b) the success of the experimental methods in discovering closer and closer approximations to those laws. There are many laws for which the known approximations are inadequate, but there is no reason for assuming that any of them are inherently unknowable. As for the logic, I suggest that you replace all the complexity below with just two predicates: Observable(x) and HasPropery(x,y). For all the things below, there is no need to make define all those terms and write all those axioms. With just these two predicates, you can translate the following sentence to the logical notation of your choice: 1. For any object x, If x is observable and x has some property y, science will eventually be able to observe y. This is, in essence, Peirce's belief in the progress of science. And the developments in the sciences in the past century have provided abundant evidence for that belief. There is zero evidence that any particular feature of any observable object will forever be unknowable. Suggestion: There is no reason why you need to discard your research on these issues or the 58 pages that you have already written for the thesis. You can just begin with sentence #1, discuss the reasons why Hume and Kant may have not realized its importance, show why scientists today believe it, and why Peirce was justified in using that assumption to reject Kant's attempt to answer Hume. Please show this note to your thesis adviser, and let us the response. John _______________________________________________________ From: "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" <jack.cody.2...@mumail.ie> Hi John, Apologies for formatting, but the thesis statements are consistent in a variety of logics. Can we know an ant's experience of concrete? No. But we do know that it has an experience, beyond all infinite human inquiry, for that refers to human sensate capacity, with an element, or elemental quality which is not as we experience it. And no relational schema - semeiotic - can understand that without what Kant calls "ding an sich". Below are some easy ways of understanding it: Ontological Relata 1 Let's define the following predicates: - SelfExistence(S): Predicate indicating the existence of the self. - ThingExistence(T): Predicate indicating the existence of things. - ExistWith(Self, Thing): Predicate indicating the relationship between the self and things, denoting that the self exists with the thing. - Definition(Self, Thing): Predicate indicating that the existence with things defines the self or the things. - Revised predicate structure: ∀S ∃T ∃D: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ Definition(S, T) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ S) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ T) Ontological Relata 2: Let's define the following predicates: - SelfExistence(S): Predicate indicating the existence of the self. - ThingExistence(T): Predicate indicating the existence of things. - ExistWith(S, T): Predicate indicating the relationship between the self and things, denoting that the self exists with the thing. - Essence(Self): Predicate indicating the essence of the self. - Essence(Thing): Predicate indicating the essence of things. - Revised predicate structure: ∀S ∃T ∃E: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ ¬Essence(S) ∧ ¬Essence(T) ∧ (E ∈ S) ∧ (E ∈ T) ∧ (E ∉ ExistWith(S, T)) Decision Tree Does Self Exist? / \ Yes* \ *Descartes: Cogito / \ Does Self exist with 'things'? / \ \ Yes* No \ *HUME CONTIGUITY/FACT/FEELING/IDEAS. / \ \ Yes Terminate \ / \ Is the self’s existence with things the definition of the self, in itself, or the things with which it exists? / \ \ Yes* No** GODEL: YES/NO.*** (Truth which breaks the formal decision tree system: consubstantial self, cannot be binary). / \ \ Terminal \ \ 1. ∀S ∃T ∃D: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ Definition(S, T) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ S) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ T) \ No (Godel (not true), but : \ Godelresolved: - ∀S ∃T ∃E ∃R: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ Essence(E) ∧ BeyondInteraction(E) ∧ Knowable(E) ∧ TranscendentalReason(R) ∧ (E ∉ ExistWith(S, T)) Differentially: To express the given decision tree in a consistent logic and incorporate paraconsistent logic at the specified point, we can modify the formulation as follows: - Does Self Exist? - Yes: - Does Self exist with 'things'? - Yes: Proceed to Step 3 - No: Terminate - Does Self exist with 'things'? - Yes: Proceed to Step 3 - No: Terminate - Is the self's existence with things the definition of the self or the things with which it exists? - Yes*: Proceed to Step 4 - No**: Proceed to Step 5 - Terminal: ∀S ∃T ∃D: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ Definition(S, T) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ S) ∧ (Definition(S, T) ∉ T) - Yes/No***: At this point, the decision tree breaks into paraconsistent logic, allowing for the handling of contradictory options. We retain the ontological form and proceed with the following formulation: - No Godel (not true), but: - Godelresolved: ∀S ∃T ∃E ∃R: SelfExistence(S) ∧ ThingExistence(T) ∧ ExistWith(S, T) ∧ Essence(E) ∧ BeyondInteraction(E) ∧ Knowable(E) ∧ TranscendentalReason(R) ∧ (E ∉ ExistWith(S, T)) In this modified formulation, the decision tree remains consistent until Step 5, where paraconsistent logic is introduced to handle contradictory options. Step 4 represents the ontological form in consistent logic, while Step 6 formalizes the ontological assertions within paraconsistent logic while retaining the ontological structure. Peirce's semeiotic is great but he is wrong to say the "ding an sich" is meaningless. I can explain Godel a hundred different ways by the necessary acceptance of it. I accomodate Godel and then explain, elsewhere, the entire premise of incompleteness within the Kantian framework and beyond it. It is a KnownIncognizable (we know such a thing, in itself, exists, but cannot represent or feel/think it as it is in itself). This is just the now easily proven truth (though the argument will take longer). My thesis advisor has access to enormous amounts of data which aren't shared here and knows the consistency is perfect (though that much of my logical formulation will alter to eliminate natural language ambiguity and various small errors which you note). Best Jack
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