Re: [PEIRCE-L] phaneroscopic observation

[Jon Alan Schmidt]

Mike, List:

Thanks for the corrected link. Apparently, the syntax for DOIs in *Transactions
of the Charles S. Peirce Society* changed with the switch from JSTOR to
Project MUSE as its online home, but the individual article PDFs still
reflect the old format. I have brought this to the attention of the editors
so that they can hopefully get it fixed before the next issue comes out.

Regards,

Jon

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 12:54 PM Mike Bergman  wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> I am pleased to see you increasingly rely on prescission, what I am
> finding to be one of Peirce's most powerful methods in logical analysis.
>
> BTW, the link provided did not work for me. Here is a similar one that
> did: https://doi.org/10.2979/csp.2023.a900117. Hat tip for the reference;
> it looks very interesting.
>
> Best, Mike
> On 10/5/2023 12:17 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
>
> Gary F., List:
>
> Thanks for providing a link to that updated section of *Turning Signs*,
> which strikes me as spot-on. As we have discussed here before, phaneroscopy
> and its pivotal place within Peirce's overall philosophy are all too often
> overlooked and/or misunderstood. Indeed, "The universes of discourse and of
> reality can only be *wholly *thus," corresponding to the continuous blank
> sheet of assertion, while "*statements about* [them] are always
> incomplete and fallible," corresponding to discretely scribed existential
> graphs. In Peirce's words ...
>
>
> CSP: A *state of things* is an abstract constituent part of reality, of
> such a nature that a proposition is needed to represent it. There is but
> one *individual*, or completely determinate, state of things, namely, the
> all of reality. A *fact *is so highly a prescissively abstract state of
> things, that it can be wholly represented in a simple proposition, and the
> term "simple," here, has no absolute meaning, but is merely a comparative
> expression. (CP 5.549, EP 2:378, 1906)
>
>
> Like "the all of reality," the phaneron is a topical continuum in
> accordance with Peirce's mature mathematical conception (
> https://philpapers.org/rec/SCHPTC-2)--an undivided whole (3ns) whose
> likewise continuous portions are indefinite material parts (1ns) until
> deliberately marked off as actual parts with discrete limits (2ns).
> Specifically, perception is a process of prescinding predicates,
> hypostasizing some of them into subjects, and attributing others to those
> subjects in propositions as perceptual judgments--"the first premisses of
> all our reasonings" (CP 5.116, EP 2:191, 1903).
>
>
> CSP: The most ordinary fact of perception ... involves *precisive 
> *abstraction,
> or *prescission*. But *hypostatic *abstraction ... is a very special mode
> of thought. It consists in taking a feature of a percept or percepts (after
> it has already been prescinded from the other elements of the percept), so
> as to take propositional form in a judgment (indeed, it may operate upon
> any judgment whatsoever), and in conceiving this fact to consist in the
> relation between the subject of that judgment and another subject, which
> has a mode of being that merely consists in the truth of propositions of
> which the corresponding concrete term is the predicate. (CP 4.235, 1902)
>
>
> CSP: The percept is, besides, whole and undivided. It has parts, in the
> sense that in thought it can be separated; but it does not represent itself
> to have parts. In its mode of being as a percept it is one single and
> undivided whole. (CP 7.625, 1903)
>
>
> CSP: Experience is first forced upon us in the form of a flow of images.
> Thereupon thought makes certain assertions. It professes to pick the image
> into pieces and to detect in it certain characters. This is not literally
> true. The image has no parts, least of all predicates. Thus predication
> involves precisive abstraction. Precisive abstraction creates predicates.
> Subjectal [hypostatic] abstraction creates subjects. Both predicates and
> subjects are creations of thought. (NEM 3:917, 1904)
>
>
> A recent paper by Garzón-Rodríguez and Niño (
> https://doi.org/10.2979/trancharpeirsoc.59.1.04) similarly discusses the
> continuity of cognition.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
> Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
> www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 10:18 AM  wrote:
>
>> List,
>>
>> I recently updated a section of one chapter of my online book
>>  *Turning Signs,* a section that
>> introduces Peirce’s phaneroscopy in such a way that those interested in the
>> subject might want to have a look at it. It is only one small part of a
>> much larger work, but there are links to that larger context embedded in
>> it, which may be helpful to some readers. I decided to simply furnish the
>> link above rather than copy the whole section to the list. Questions and
>> comments are welcome here, of course.
>>
>> Gary f.
>>

Re: [PEIRCE-L] phaneroscopic observation

[Mike Bergman]

Hi Jon,

I am pleased to see you increasingly rely on prescission, what I am 
finding to be one of Peirce's most powerful methods in logical analysis.


BTW, the link provided did not work for me. Here is a similar one that 
did: https://doi.org/10.2979/csp.2023.a900117. Hat tip for the 
reference; it looks very interesting.


Best, Mike

On 10/5/2023 12:17 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:

Gary F., List:

Thanks for providing a link to that updated section of /Turning 
Signs/, which strikes me as spot-on. As we have discussed here before, 
phaneroscopy and its pivotal place within Peirce's overall philosophy 
are all too often overlooked and/or misunderstood. Indeed, "The 
universes of discourse and of reality can only be /wholly /thus," 
corresponding to the continuous blank sheet of assertion, while 
"/statements about/ [them] are always incomplete and fallible," 
corresponding to discretely scribed existential graphs. In Peirce's 
words ...



CSP: A /state of things/ is an abstract constituent part of
reality, of such a nature that a proposition is needed to
represent it. There is but one /individual/, or completely
determinate, state of things, namely, the all of reality. A /fact
/is so highly a prescissively abstract state of things, that it
can be wholly represented in a simple proposition, and the term
"simple," here, has no absolute meaning, but is merely a
comparative expression. (CP 5.549, EP 2:378, 1906)


Like "the all of reality," the phaneron is a topical continuum in 
accordance with Peirce's mature mathematical conception 
(https://philpapers.org/rec/SCHPTC-2)--an undivided whole (3ns) whose 
likewise continuous portions are indefinite material parts (1ns) until 
deliberately marked off as actual parts with discrete limits (2ns). 
Specifically, perception is a process of prescinding predicates, 
hypostasizing some of them into subjects, and attributing others to 
those subjects in propositions as perceptual judgments--"the first 
premisses of all our reasonings" (CP 5.116, EP 2:191, 1903).



CSP: The most ordinary fact of perception ... involves /precisive
/abstraction, or /prescission/. But /hypostatic /abstraction ...
is a very special mode of thought. It consists in taking a feature
of a percept or percepts (after it has already been prescinded
from the other elements of the percept), so as to take
propositional form in a judgment (indeed, it may operate upon any
judgment whatsoever), and in conceiving this fact to consist in
the relation between the subject of that judgment and another
subject, which has a mode of being that merely consists in the
truth of propositions of which the corresponding concrete term is
the predicate. (CP 4.235, 1902)


CSP: The percept is, besides, whole and undivided. It has parts,
in the sense that in thought it can be separated; but it does not
represent itself to have parts. In its mode of being as a percept
it is one single and undivided whole. (CP 7.625, 1903)


CSP: Experience is first forced upon us in the form of a flow of
images. Thereupon thought makes certain assertions. It professes
to pick the image into pieces and to detect in it certain
characters. This is not literally true. The image has no parts,
least of all predicates. Thus predication involves precisive
abstraction. Precisive abstraction creates predicates. Subjectal
[hypostatic] abstraction creates subjects. Both predicates and
subjects are creations of thought. (NEM 3:917, 1904)


A recent paper by Garzón-Rodríguez and Niño 
(https://doi.org/10.2979/trancharpeirsoc.59.1.04) similarly discusses 
the continuity of cognition.



Regards,


Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt 
 / 
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt 


On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 10:18 AM  wrote:

List,

I recently updated a section of one chapter of my online book
 /Turning Signs,/ a section
that introduces Peirce’s phaneroscopy in such a way that those
interested in the subject might want to have a look at it. It is
only one small part of a much larger work, but there are links to
that larger context embedded in it, which may be helpful to some
readers. I decided to simply furnish the link above rather than
copy the whole section to the list. Questions and comments are
welcome here, of course.

Gary f.

Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg

} Every man is fully satisfied that there is such a thing as
truth, or he would not ask any question. [Peirce] {

https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs 


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Re: [PEIRCE-L] phaneroscopic observation

[Jon Alan Schmidt]

Gary F., List:

Thanks for providing a link to that updated section of *Turning Signs*,
which strikes me as spot-on. As we have discussed here before, phaneroscopy
and its pivotal place within Peirce's overall philosophy are all too often
overlooked and/or misunderstood. Indeed, "The universes of discourse and of
reality can only be *wholly *thus," corresponding to the continuous blank
sheet of assertion, while "*statements about* [them] are always incomplete
and fallible," corresponding to discretely scribed existential graphs. In
Peirce's words ...


CSP: A *state of things* is an abstract constituent part of reality, of
such a nature that a proposition is needed to represent it. There is but
one *individual*, or completely determinate, state of things, namely, the
all of reality. A *fact *is so highly a prescissively abstract state of
things, that it can be wholly represented in a simple proposition, and the
term "simple," here, has no absolute meaning, but is merely a comparative
expression. (CP 5.549, EP 2:378, 1906)


Like "the all of reality," the phaneron is a topical continuum in
accordance with Peirce's mature mathematical conception (
https://philpapers.org/rec/SCHPTC-2)--an undivided whole (3ns) whose
likewise continuous portions are indefinite material parts (1ns) until
deliberately marked off as actual parts with discrete limits (2ns).
Specifically, perception is a process of prescinding predicates,
hypostasizing some of them into subjects, and attributing others to those
subjects in propositions as perceptual judgments--"the first premisses of
all our reasonings" (CP 5.116, EP 2:191, 1903).


CSP: The most ordinary fact of perception ... involves *precisive *abstraction,
or *prescission*. But *hypostatic *abstraction ... is a very special mode
of thought. It consists in taking a feature of a percept or percepts (after
it has already been prescinded from the other elements of the percept), so
as to take propositional form in a judgment (indeed, it may operate upon
any judgment whatsoever), and in conceiving this fact to consist in the
relation between the subject of that judgment and another subject, which
has a mode of being that merely consists in the truth of propositions of
which the corresponding concrete term is the predicate. (CP 4.235, 1902)


CSP: The percept is, besides, whole and undivided. It has parts, in the
sense that in thought it can be separated; but it does not represent itself
to have parts. In its mode of being as a percept it is one single and
undivided whole. (CP 7.625, 1903)


CSP: Experience is first forced upon us in the form of a flow of images.
Thereupon thought makes certain assertions. It professes to pick the image
into pieces and to detect in it certain characters. This is not literally
true. The image has no parts, least of all predicates. Thus predication
involves precisive abstraction. Precisive abstraction creates predicates.
Subjectal [hypostatic] abstraction creates subjects. Both predicates and
subjects are creations of thought. (NEM 3:917, 1904)


A recent paper by Garzón-Rodríguez and Niño (
https://doi.org/10.2979/trancharpeirsoc.59.1.04) similarly discusses the
continuity of cognition.


Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 10:18 AM  wrote:

> List,
>
> I recently updated a section of one chapter of my online book
>  *Turning Signs,* a section that
> introduces Peirce’s phaneroscopy in such a way that those interested in the
> subject might want to have a look at it. It is only one small part of a
> much larger work, but there are links to that larger context embedded in
> it, which may be helpful to some readers. I decided to simply furnish the
> link above rather than copy the whole section to the list. Questions and
> comments are welcome here, of course.
>
> Gary f.
>
> Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg
>
> } Every man is fully satisfied that there is such a thing as truth, or he
> would not ask any question. [Peirce] {
>
> https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs 
>
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RE: [PEIRCE-L] phaneroscopic observation

[John F Sowa]

Gary,

I enjoy browsing through your Turning Signs with their wealth of quotations and 
links to related topics.

I also wanted to mention the quotations of the month by my wife Cora, who has a 
PhD in classical philology from Harvard. For years (up to 2022) she posted a 
quotation, usually from Greek or Latin, and explained its relationships to some 
current topic in the news.  To avoid copyright issues, nearly all the 
translations are hers.  See http://www.minervaclassics.com/quotat.htm

For the past year, she has been busy trying to finish a book.  So the 
quotations of the month stop in 2022.

John


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List,
I recently updated a section of one chapter of my online book Turning Signs, a 
section that introduces Peirce’s phaneroscopy in such a way that those 
interested in the subject might want to have a look at it. It is only one small 
part of a much larger work, but there are links to that larger context embedded 
in it, which may be helpful to some readers. I decided to simply furnish the 
link above rather than copy the whole section to the list. Questions and 
comments are welcome here, of course.
Gary f.
Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg
} Every man is fully satisfied that there is such a thing as truth, or he would 
not ask any question. [Peirce] {
https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs

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[PEIRCE-L] phaneroscopic observation

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List,

I recently updated a section of one chapter of my online book 
  Turning Signs, a section that 
introduces Peirce’s phaneroscopy in such a way that those interested in the 
subject might want to have a look at it. It is only one small part of a much 
larger work, but there are links to that larger context embedded in it, which 
may be helpful to some readers. I decided to simply furnish the link above 
rather than copy the whole section to the list. Questions and comments are 
welcome here, of course.

Gary f.

Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg

} Every man is fully satisfied that there is such a thing as truth, or he would 
not ask any question. [Peirce] {

https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs  

 

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