re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] meaning

[John F Sowa]

Helmut,
  
 As an example of a real possibility that does not happen to exist at the 
moment, consider the quality of having exactly the same genes as any 
historical person -- say Julius Caesar, George Washington, or your 
great-grandmother.
  
 There are so many genes and so many options for each gene that it is 
extremely unlikely that any other human will ever have exactly the same 
genome.  But the fact that some human did have that quality at one time 
means that it's not impossible for someone to have that quality again.
  
 Since it's not absolutely impossible, it is a real possibility.  But the 
probability is so low that we can safely say that nobody with exactly those 
genes happens to exist right  now.
  
 You can construct an open-ended variety of such examples.  Consider what 
you ate for lunch yesterday.  You might have a very similar meal on many 
occasions, but no two of them will be absolutely identical.  You could 
describe that meal in a short paragraph that would be true of many, many 
similar meals.  But  that is only because your description is vague.
  
 John

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RE: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] meaning

[gnox]

Helmut, a feeling, in the Peircean sense we’re using here, can’t be sent or 
received, or even perceived in the way that an external object can be 
perceived. As Jon explained, it can only be prescinded from an actual 
experience, which means dropping out of consideration the usual distinctions 
between subject and object, external and internal. Firstness is called that 
because it is monadic, not dyadic or triadic. It is a quality minus the thing 
that “has” that quality, a possibility minus its instantiation. It does not 
exist. Existence is metaphysical secondness. 

Systems exist because they are “cut off” from other systems (as the etymology 
of the word suggests); they have an inside and an outside, although some of 
them are more open than others to exchanges of energy or information. 
Psychological “feelings” are actual, embodied feelings; phaneroscopic 
“feelings” are prior to actuality or embodiment. This is crucial to 
understanding the metaphysical basis of Peircean semiotic.

 

gary f.

Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg

 

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Thank you, Jon! So Peirce means the sent, not the received feeling? The feeling 
as its source´s quality? In my concept, meaning is triadic (something means 
something to something/one). If meaning in its first mode of being is feeling, 
my concept of feeling is triadic too: Something gives a feeling to someone. But 
for Peirce, feeling is only a part the first part of that: Something´s innate 
quality.

 

Best, Helmut

  

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Jack, List: 

 

When Peirce associates feeling with 1ns, he is not referring to that which is 
felt by a subject, which is clearly an example of 2ns. He is instead referring 
to a qualitative possibility, independent of any individual instantiation. It 
is indeed a prescissive abstraction of the 1ns that is always involved in 2ns, 
which is always involved in 3ns.

 

We can imagine a world in which we constantly hear the same musical note, until 
it suddenly changes to a different note. The quality of each note in 
itself--prescinded from anyone actually hearing it--corresponds to 1ns, the 
contrast between successive notes to 2ns, and the melody comprised of a series 
of such notes to 3ns (CP 5.395, EP 1:128-129, 1878).

 

Regards,

  

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA

Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian

www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt   
/ twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt  

  

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