Can any of you recommend a source on the fully-elaborated classification of signs with good examples for each and every variety?
Neal Bruss On 11/24/11 2:59 PM, "Benjamin Udell" <bud...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Forwarded to peirce-l, partly as a test. Post intended for peirce-l from > Claudio Guerri. - Best, Ben > > -------- Mensaje original -------- > > Asunto: Re: [peirce-l] ³On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for > Semiotic² > Fecha: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:35:58 -0300 > De: Claudio Guerri > A: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU > Mi message apparently didn't reached the List > this is a new try... > > Claudio Guerri said the following on 22/11/2011 12:57 p.m.: > -------------------------------------------------------- > Jon, List, > I apologize for not having participated in slow reading yet... > I have a very 'heavy' year... > but just by chance I have read Jon's post... > > Of course, I agree on the need of collecting data, but since we are in > Semiotics, and in a Peirce List, I consider more important to organize data in > an explicit, logic, and relational way. > The double entry, three column, data table is of course a good way of > presenting it, and there is already a long experience on that devise called: > the Semiotic Nonagon (I have written already about this subject on this List, > I have to admit... with very low success). > But the order of the columns and rows should not be changed from the logical > sequence of 1ness, 2ness, and 3ness or we will lose the logical relation of > the parts. > Of course, Peirce was not fond of that idea... or he would have draw that > table himself, since he worked out the 10 classes 'triangle' and worked on > existential graphs. The construction of a 9 square grid means a 'flattening' > of Peirce's very complex philosophical proposal... but also, the possibility > of a practical use of the very fruitful Peircean semiotic proposal. > > I don't know if the SN that follows can be seen, but something SIMILAR was > already shown by different scholars, beginning by Max Bense in the 60's, but > with a very wrong idea, that is: to show the 9 aspects of the sign in 'some > graphical order'... If the purpose is limited to this intention, it is a > severe distortion of Peirce's philosophical proposal, that should probably > been represented in an hyper-spatial diagram... but then, very difficult or > impossible for practical use. > > > Sign > 1st trichotomy > 2nd Trichotomy > 3rd Trichotomy > > 1st Correlate > Qualisign > Icon > Rhema > > 2nd Correlate > Sinsign > Index > Dicent sign > > 3rd Correlate > Legisign > Symbol > Argument > > To avoid the incongruence of the graphic aspects with the logic concepts > proposed originally by Peirce, Juan Magariños de Morentin proposed to name the > 9 sub-signs in a different way, that is, using FORM, EXISTENCE and VALUE. > > > Sign > Form > Existence > Value > > > Form > FF > > Form of Form > EF > Existence of Form > VF > > Value of Form > > > Existence > FE > Form of Existence > EE > Existence of Existence > VE > Value of existence > > > Value > FV > > Form of Value > EV > Existence of Value > VV > > Value of Value > > With some little differences in the understanding of some of the aspects, I > named (around 2001) the Magariños's "Grid of Peirce" (which is not "by > Peirce") as the "Semiotic Nonagon", in opposition to the Greimasean "Semiotic > Square". > There are several papers in Spanish, English and German showing the practical > use of this devise, and there are 15 years of applied practice in market > qualitative research for radio, TV, film and product investigation that of > course can, mostly, not be shown... > There are also some papers in collaboration with William S. Huff on Treatment > of Color, Basic Design, etc. (in English). > > I apologize for my not so scholarly English... > Regards > Claudio --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
