[peirce-l] FW: [peirce-l] [Inquiry] "On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic"

2011-11-24 Thread Auke van Breemen
It would be handy if 'reply' gives a reply to the list message instead of a
reply to the sender. 

Jon,

You wrote a sentence that raises some questions, at least in my mind.

JA1:
An equivocation is a variation in meaning, or a manifold of sign senses, and
so
Peirce's claim that three categories are sufficient amounts to an assertion
that all manifolds of meaning can be unified in just three steps.
--end

In comparison with the sentence you wrote earlier in the same mail there are
two differences:

JA2:
Peirce's claim that three categories are necessary and sufficient for the
purposes of logic says that a properly designed system of logic can resolve
all equivocation in just three levels or steps.
--end

a. unification of all manifolds of meaning is not without further
qualifications the same as disambiguation. So, in principle at least I could
support JA2 and not support JA1.
b. In JA1 the problem of the meaning of 'meaning' presses itself upon the
reader, in JA2 meaning is given, the only problem that remains is to make a
choice between alternatives that are supposed to be given.

So, JA1 is a much stronger claim than JA2. Since you wrote in JA2 about
levels or steps, but in JA1 just about steps, your claim seems to amount to
the proposition that all manifolds of meaning can be unified in a single run
of a procedure that consists of three steps. Of course unification can be
taken as quite empty (for instance as "signs written on the same sheet are
unified", but then "unification of all manifolds of meaning", is rather
unsatisfying on the meaning side of the issue.

I am inclined to reason that, given:
JA3
Peirce's distinctive claim is that a type hierarchy of three levels is
generative of all that we need in logic.
--end

It is possible to design a procedure with the three steps of JA1 that
unifies all manifolds of meaning, not in three steps. 

Kind regards,

Auke van Breemen 

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Re: [peirce-l] [Inquiry] “On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic”

2011-11-23 Thread Jon Awbrey

* Comments on the Peirce List slow reading of Joseph Ransdell,
  "On the Paradigm of Experience Appropriate for Semiotic",
  http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/aboutcsp/ransdell/paradigm.htm

Re: Comments by Claudio Guerri (cont.)

I realize that many of us have been through these sorts of discussions
many times before, so let me just highlight what I consider to be some
of the most important points.

1. We must not confuse the roles in a sign relation or the components
   of a sign relational 3-tuple, that is, Object, Sign, Interpretant,
   with the Peircean categories of Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness.
   These two sets of concepts reside at very different logical levels,
   as one can tell from the fact that Peirce described his Categories
   as "Predicaments", that is, predicates of predicates.

To make the shortest possible shrift of the matter, Category k is the
category of k-adic predicates or k-adic relations. Viewing categories
as Aristotle initially described them, as disambiguating references or
devices for resolving the equivocation of terms by indicating the type
of object intended for their interpretation, Peirce's claim that three
categories are necessary and sufficient for the purposes of logic says
that a properly designed system of logic can resolve all equivocation
in just three levels or steps.

For a more detailed discussion, here is an excerpt from the section I wrote
on Peircean categories for the Wikipedia article on Peirce several years ago.
This material can now be found at the MyWikiBiz article on Peirce.

Cf. http://mywikibiz.com/Charles_Sanders_Peirce#Theory_of_categories

In the logic of Aristotle categories are adjuncts to reasoning that are designed
to resolve equivocations and thus to prepare ambiguous signs, that are otherwise
recalcitrant to being ruled by logic, for the application of logical laws. An
equivocation is a variation in meaning, or a manifold of sign senses, and so
Peirce's claim that three categories are sufficient amounts to an assertion
that all manifolds of meaning can be unified in just three steps.

The following passage is critical to the understanding of Peirce's Categories:

CSP: I will now say a few words about what you have called Categories,
 but for which I prefer the designation Predicaments, and which you
 have explained as predicates of predicates.

CSP: That wonderful operation of hypostatic abstraction by which we seem to 
create
 entia rationis that are, nevertheless, sometimes real, furnishes us the 
means
 of turning predicates from being signs that we think or think through, into
 being subjects thought of. We thus think of the thought-sign itself, making
 it the object of another thought-sign.

CSP: Thereupon, we can repeat the operation of hypostatic abstraction, and from 
these
 second intentions derive third intentions. Does this series proceed 
endlessly?
 I think not. What then are the characters of its different members?

CSP: My thoughts on this subject are not yet harvested. I will only say that 
the subject
 concerns Logic, but that the divisions so obtained must not be confounded 
with the
 different Modes of Being: Actuality, Possibility, Destiny (or Freedom from 
Destiny).

CSP: On the contrary, the succession of Predicates of Predicates is different in
 the different Modes of Being. Meantime, it will be proper that in our 
system
 of diagrammatization we should provide for the division, whenever needed, 
of
 each of our three Universes of modes of reality into Realms for the 
different
 Predicaments.

CSP: Peirce, CP 4.549, "Prolegomena to an Apology for Pragmaticism",
 The Monist 16, 492–546 (1906), CP 4.530–572).

The first thing to extract from this passage is the fact that Peirce's 
Categories,
or "Predicaments", are predicates of predicates. Meaningful predicates have both
extension and intension, so predicates of predicates get their meanings from at
least two sources of information, namely, the classes of relations and the
qualities of qualities to which they refer. Considerations like these tend
to generate hierarchies of subject matters, extending through what is
traditionally called the logic of second intensions, or what is handled
very roughly by second order logic in contemporary parlance, and continuing
onward through higher intensions, or higher order logic and type theory.

Peirce arrived at his own system of three categories after a thoroughgoing study
of his predecessors, with special reference to the categories of Aristotle, 
Kant,
and Hegel. The names that he used for his own categories varied with context and
occasion, but ranged from moderately intuitive terms like quality, reaction, and
symbolization to maximally abstract terms like firstness, secondness, and 
thirdness,
respectively. Taken in full generality, k-ness may be understood as referring to
those properties that all k-adic relations have in common. Peirce's distinctive
claim is