[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-20 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, Actually, you weren't taking too much for granted, at least not with most of the listers, only with ignorant me. I think most listers have either read Prigogine or read discussions about him. I have a book of his somewhere but haven't read it. >[Gary] However i still don't find anything

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-20 Thread Bill Bailey
Ben: Someone back in the dark ages of cybernetics and system theory remarked that there was no way of knowing whether entropy was a feature of the universe or of our information regarding the universe. And about the same time Colin Cherry wrote, "Mind is real; matter is mystery." I decided t

[peirce-l] Ten Quotes in Honor of Inertia

2006-04-20 Thread Richard Hake
ABSTRACT: I give ten quotes in honor of THE INERTIA OF THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM and stimulated by the backlash of parents and teachers to the implementation of Leon Lederman's (2001) "Physics First" in the San Diego schools, as reported by Wall Street Journal reporter Rob Tomsho. If you reply t

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-20 Thread gnusystems
Victoria, [[ Prigogine and Sagan/Schneider do tend to conflate "purpose," "function" and "final cause." ]] That's true, and i'm sure i conflate them myself occasionally -- and so did Peirce, in the paragraph i'm about to quote (below). In many contexts the distinctions among them are just not wor

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-20 Thread gnusystems
Ben, Yes, i was taking too much for granted when i started using the term here. Especially as the name "dissipative structure" is not especially well-chosen -- partly for the reasons you mention, and partly because it's really about systems (and thus involves processes) and not merely structures.

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-04-20 Thread Victoria N. Alexander
On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:58 PM, gnusystems wrote: First, Victoria wrote that "the appropriateness of saying that the reduction of the gradient is the purpose of the universe or the purpose of any organism." -- and then went on to connect this idea with "Peirce's view of final cause", although i h