[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jim, Gary, list, >[Jim] Ben Udell wrote: >>[Ben] But first, on a general note, let me say that among the issues driving >>my current display of confusion & error, is the question: if comprehension >>is for quality & predicate, while denotation is for objects >>(resistances/reactions), then wh

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Gary Richmond
Jim, Ben, list Jim wrote: An object is anything that can be represented. Abstract objects such as relations also have forms and locations that can be connoted and denoted as discussed below. It is my view (and I think Peirce's) that words or symbols such as "not", "probably", "if" etc re

[peirce-l] Re: Category Theory & CSP

2006-05-05 Thread Jim Piat
Bernard Morand wrote: Nice Jim! I had the feeling that I was blundering just at the time of writing that the categories in the sense of maths have no denotation nor connotation . However I could not see where the blunder was. So I decided to let the idea as it was and see what will happen.

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Jim Piat
Ben Udell wrote: But first, on a general note, let me say that among the issues driving my current display of confusion & error, is the question: if comprehension is for quality & predicate, while denotation is for objects (resistances/reactions), then what dimension is for representational

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, list, > [Joe] You say "if the connotation is, as Peirce says elsewhere, the meaning > or significance which gets formed into the interpretant," Where does Peirce > say that, Ben? That sounds like a mistaken paraphrase. I did back down somewhat after Gary's off-list response and suggeste

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-05-05 Thread gnusystems
Helmut, My earlier message may have been unclear, but what i meant was pretty much equivalent to what you say here: [[ In a general sense, Peirce did indeed anticipate the possibility of non-equilibrium thermodynamics. The possibility of new types of order in far-from-the-equilibrium situations w

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-05-05 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben, list, You say "if the connotation is, as Peirce says elsewhere, the meaning or significance which gets formed into the interpretant," Where does Peirce say that, Ben? That sounds like a mistaken paraphrase. Also, I don't know what is meant by speaking of meaning "in the sense of acceptat

[peirce-l] Re: Peirce and Prigogine

2006-05-05 Thread Helmut Pape
Dear Gary, In a general sense, Peirce did indeed anticipate the possibility of non-equilibrium thermodynamics. The possibility of new types of order in far-from-the-equilibrium situations was something Peirce definitely had in mind. Already in "Design and Chance" he talks about this possibi

[peirce-l] Re: Prigogine, Rosen, Pattee, category theory and biosemiotics

2006-05-05 Thread gnusystems
Jerry, [[ Your surmise about my views is utter nonsense. ]] This does not surprise me, as your surmise about my intentions is equally nonsense. The difference between your expression and mine is that my "surmise" was explicitly labeled as such. I also explicitly labeled my entire message as "g