[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Jim Piat
Ben Udell wrote: Anyway, my semiotic four are, instead, object, sign, interpretant, recognizant. I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben Says: I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden opinion on the question. Tom Short argued that there is a problem with answering how it

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Gary, Jim, list, [Joe] Ben Says: [Ben] I don't know how Peirce and others have missed the distinct and irreducible logical role of verification. I keep an eye open regarding that question, that's about all. I don't have some hidden opinion on the question. Tom Short argued that there

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, Joe, Jim, list, (continued,3rd part) [Gary] Again, you maintain that the "logically determinational role" of "such recognition" cannot be denied and yet I can't even find it! For me it is less a matter of its being denied than my not even missing it (clearly you've fixed your own

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Benjamin Udell
Joe, Gary, Jim, list, I forgot that I had wanted to make a remark on the Pragmatic Maxim in the present connection. [Joe] I forgot to say something about the supposed problem of distinguishing sense from nonsense. That's what the pragmatic maxim is all about, isn't it? The Pragmatic

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Ben: JR: I must say that I think you are missing mypoint because of some mistaken assumption that I can't identify. The reason I gave the simple example of a common sense verification was to make as clear as I could that there is no deep logical point involved. Consider again my simple

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-08-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, Joe, Jim, list, Ben, not having gotten your argument for a putative necessary fourth semeiotic element earlier--and I've certainly tried--your most recent comments have also not helped me get any closer to what you apparently find near-obvious, or at least "simple." You write: [BU] It