Ben / Gary:

Thank you both for your responses.  Very helpful on several issues.

Gary, the quotes you sent indicate substantial shifts of Peirce's views as chemical knowledge developed in the second half of the 19th Century.

If one is interested in further developments, one should compare the groups (vertical columns) Peirce lists as being similar with a modern view of the periodic table.

Two critical aspects of the latter historical development of chemical thought were:
1. the nuclear atom
2. the listing of the nuclear atoms by number.

(I do not have the exact date for these two shifts, but they were in the early 20 th Century.)

The modern concept of valence came much latter - in the 1930's.

So, I conclude from a chemical perspective that Peirce's effort to merge chemical symbolism with logical symbolism via Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness ran into some unanticipatable theoretical incompletenesses.

Perhaps I should add a word or two about the valence problem from a chemical perspective.

Consider examples of molecular formulas restricted to two elements, carbon and hydrogen:

(CH)
(CH[2])
(CH[3])
(CH[4])

All of these formula are for known compounds (benzene, butene, ethane and methane, respectively.) If one assigned a reference value of "1" to hydrogen, then the valences of carbon would be 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. (I hasten to add that these are not the empirical assignments of valence made by chemists!)

This is merely a simple example of the type of logical problems faced by anyone who wishes to attempt to formalize the logic of chemistry. As the number of elements in the compound increases, the logic must accommodate more and more unusual cases.

The appearance of Karl-Eric Wolff's name came as a surprise. I presume that this is the same man that I have enjoyed many discussions with at system science meetings in Europe.


The quotes seems to suggest that Peirce sooner or latter recognized that the initial supposition of a direct one to one correspondence between Firstness, Secondnes and Thirdness and chemical valence and the metaphor with adding pieces to describe a road that branches, failed.

Would anyone know how he approached this "mid-course correction" of his theory? Was this recognition important in his development of semiotic perspectives?

I look forward to learning more about the "Reductive Thesis".

Cheers


Jerry










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Hi Ben,

Hey, what happened to your feedback on my paper? Anyhow, probably best=20
since I made some significant changes yesterday. BUT, will you be=20
available to edit and Springer-ize it in a week or so? Please let me=20 know so that if you can't I can set up contingency plans. If you can, I=20 think it will pretty much be in the form I sent it to you in (but let's=20
see what my reviewers think . .).

Below my signature are some key quotes from the CP on valency, the first =

my favorite, but all of them, I think, relevant. No time now to select=20
passages or even re-read them  (I will  do this later in the week=20
perhaps), but I thought you might find them valuable for the present=20
discussion. Anyhow, the diagrammatic figures don't seem to be=20
reproducing from the eCP--I'll have to look into that later because in=20 one place Peirce diagrams tons of valency diagrams not unlike some of=20
those that appear in the slide show I wrote, you produced and which=20
rather "prove" in the way that diagram observation can the "reduction=20 thesis" (which has now a strict mathematical proof by J. Hereth Correia =

which I expect will be published in the ICCS proceedings this summer,=20 but can't say for certain; I have the paper, but it's mainly heavy duty=20 mathematics and the author has given permission for distribution yet.=20
Karl-Erich Wolff, however, assumes me that the mathematics is sound).

Of course, as already mentioned, I find the most interesting secondary=20 source on this to be Ketner, especially his 'Peirce's "Most Lucid and=20 Interesting Paper": An Introduction to Cenopythagoreanism" and several=20 other papers included as Appedix II to A Thief of Peirce. I don't agree=20 with all of his philosophical points (one crucial one in particular, but =

no time to get into that now--it's "catch up" time), but this is where=20 he lays out "valency analysis" (his own expressions) based on "clues=20 from MS 482." He notes that Peirce "gave the system no special name" but =

that he, Ketner, "attempted to be consistent with what I take Peirce's=20 insights to have been." (all the short quotes are from page 196 of A=20
Thief of Peirce).

I was pleased to see your post to Peirce-l as I'd begun to worry about=20 you a little. But let me know about the paper as one wants a keynote to=20
look especially  good :-)

Best,

Gary


ONE KEY PASSAGE

Peirce: CP 1.289 Cross-Ref:++
289. A reader may very intelligently ask, How is it possible for an=20 indecomposable element to have any differences of structure? Of internal =

logical structure it would be clearly impossible. But of external=20
structure, that is to say, structure of its possible compounds, limited=20 differences of structure are possible; witness the chemical elements, of =

which the "groups," or vertical columns of Mendel=E9eff's table, are=20 universally and justly recognized as ever so much more important than=20 the "series," or horizontal ranks in the same table. Those columns are=20
characterized by their several valencies, thus:
He, Ne, A, Kr, X are medads ({m=E9den} none + the patronymic =3D {id=E9=
s}).
    H, L [Li], Na, K, Cu, Rb, Ag, Cs,-,-, Au, are monads;
    G [Gl], Mg, Ca, Zn, Sr, Cd, Ba, -,-, Hg, Rd [Ra], are dyads;
    B, Al, Sc, Ga, Y, In, La, -, Yb, Tc [Tl], Ac are triads;
    C, Si, Ti, Ge, Zr, Sn, Co [Ce], -, -, Pc [Pb], Th, are tetrads;
    N, P, V, As, Cb, Sb, Pr [Nd], -, Ta, Bi, Po [Pa], are properly=20
pentads (as PCL[5], though owing to the junction of two pegs they often=20 appear as triads. Their pentad character is particularly required to=20 explain certain phenomena of albumins); O, S, Cr, Se, Mo, Te, Nd [Sm],=20
-, W, -, U, are properly hexads (though by junction of bonds they=20
usually appear as dyads);
F, Cl, Mn, Br, -, I, are properly heptads (usually appearing as monad=
s);
Fe, Co, Ni, Ru, Rh, Pd, -, -, -, Os, Tr [Ir], Pt, are octads; (Sm,=20
Eu, Gd, Er, Tb, Bz [?], Cl [Ct], are not yet placed in the table.)
Peirce: CP 1.290 Cross-Ref:++
290. So, then, since elements may have structure through valency, I=20 invite the reader to join me in a direct inspection of the valency of=20 elements of the phaneron. Why do I seem to see my reader draw back? Does =

he fear to be compromised by my bias, due to preconceived views? Oh,=20 very well; yes, I do bring some convictions to the inquiry. But let us=20 begin by subjecting these to criticism, postponing actual observation=20
until all preconceptions are disposed of, one way or the other.
Peirce: CP 1.291 Cross-Ref:++
    291. First, then, let us ask whether or not valency is the sole=20
formal respect in which elements of the phaneron can possibly vary. But=20 seeing that the possibility of such a ground of division is dependent=20
upon the possibility of multivalence, while the possibility of a=20
division according to valency can in nowise be regarded as a result of=20 relations between bonds, it follows that any division by variations of=20 such relations must be taken as secondary to the division according to=20 valency, if such division there be. Now (my logic here may be puzzling,=20 but it is correct), since my ten trichotomies of signs,+1 should they=20
prove to be independent of one another (which is to be sure, highly=20
improbable), would suffice to furnish us classes of signs to the number o=
f

310 =3D (32)5 =3D (10-1)5 =3D 105 - 5.104
                + 10.103 - 10.102
                + 5.10 - 1
                =3D 50000
                + 9000
                + 49
                =3D 59049

(Voil=E0 a lesson in vulgar arithmetic thrown in to boot!), which=20
calculation threatens a multitude of classes too great to be=20
conveniently carried in one's head, rather than a group inconveniently=20 small, we shall, I think, do well to postpone preparations for further=20
divisions until there be prospect of such a thing being wanted.

Peirce: CP 1.292 Cross-Ref:++
    292. If, then, there be any formal division of elements of the=20
phaneron, there must be a division according to valency; and we may=20
expect medads, monads, dyads, triads, tetrads, etc. Some of these,=20
however, can be antecedently excluded, as impossible; although it is=20
important to remember that these divisions are not exactly like the=20
corresponding divisions of Existential Graphs,+1 which have relation=20 only to explicit indefinites. In the present application, a medad must=20
mean an indecomposable idea altogether severed logically from every=20
other; a monad will mean an element which, except that it is thought as=20 applying to some subject, has no other characters than those which are=20 complete in it without any reference to anything else; a dyad will be an =

elementary idea of something that would possess such characters as it=20 does possess relatively to something else but regardless of any third=20 object of any category; a triad would be an elementary idea of something =

which should be such as it were relatively to two others in different=20 ways, but regardless of any fourth; and so on. Some of these, I repeat,=20
are plainly impossible. A medad would be a flash of mental=20
"heat-lightning" absolutely instantaneous, thunderless, unremembered,=20 and altogether without effect. It can further be said in advance, not,=20 indeed, purely a priori but with the degree of apriority that is proper=20 to logic, namely, as a necessary deduction from the fact that there are=20 signs, that there must be an elementary triad. For were every element of =

the phaneron a monad or a dyad, without the relative of teridentity +2=20 (which is, of course, a triad), it is evident that no triad could ever=20
be built up. Now the relation of every sign to its object and=20
interpretant is plainly a triad. A triad might be built up of pentads or =

of any higher perissad elements in many ways. But it can be proved --=20 and really with extreme simplicity, though the statement of the general=20 proof is confusing -- that no element can have a higher valency than thre=
e.

ON LOGICAL VALENCY

Peirce: CP 3.470 Cross-Ref:++
470. But beyond this point the analogy ceases to be striking. In=20 fact, the analogy with the ruling theory of chemical compounds quite=20 breaks down. Yet I cannot resist the temptation to pursue it. After all, =

any analogy, however fanciful, which serves to focus attention upon=20
matters which might otherwise escape observation is valuable. A chemical =

compound might be expected to be quite as much like a proposition as=20 like an algebraical invariant; and the brooding upon chemical graphs has =

hatched out an important theory in invariants.+1 Fifty years ago, when I =

was first studying chemistry, the theory was that every compound=20
consisted of two oppositely electrified atoms or radicles; and in like=20
manner every compound radicle consisted of two opposite atoms or=20
radicles. The argument to this effect was that chemical attraction is=20
evidently between things unlike one another and evidently has a=20
saturation point; and further that we observe that it is the elements=20 the most extremely unlike which attract one another. [Julius] Lothar=20
Meyer's curve having for its ordinates the atomic volumes of the=20
elements and for its abscissas their atomic weights tends to support the =

opinion that elements strongly to attract one another must have opposite =

characters +1; for we see that it is the elements on the steepest=20
downward slopes of that curve which have the strongest attractions for=20 the elements on the steepest upward inclines. But when chemists became=20 convinced of the doctrine of valency, that is, that every element has a=20 fixed number of loose ends, and when they consequently began to write=20
graphs for compounds, it seems to have been assumed that this=20
necessitated an abandonment of the position that atoms and radicles=20
combine by opposition of characters, which had further been weakened by=20 the refutation of some mistaken arguments in its favor. But if chemistry =

is of no aid to logic, logic here comes in to enlighten chemistry. For=20
in logic, the medad must always be composed of one part having a=20
negative, or antecedental, character, and another part of a positive, or =

consequental, character; and if either of these parts is compound its=20 constituents are similarly related to one another. Yet this does not, at =

all, interfere with the doctrine that each relative has a definite=20
number of blanks or loose ends. We shall find that, in logic, the=20
negative character is a character of reversion in this sense, that if=20 the negative part of a medad is compound, its negative part has, on the=20 whole, a positive character. We shall also find, that if the negative=20 part of a medad is compound, the bond joining its positive and negative=20 parts has its character reversed, just as those relatives themselves have=
=2E+2
Peirce: CP 3.471 Cross-Ref:++
471. Several propositions are in this last paragraph stated about=20 logical medads which now must be shown to be true. In the first place,=20
although it be granted that every relative has a definite number of=20
blanks, or loose ends, yet it would seem, at first sight, that there is=20 no need of each of these joining no more than one other. For instance,=20
taking the triad

"-- kills -- to gratify --," why may not the three loose ends all join=20 in one node and then be connected with the loose end of the monad "John=20 is --" as in Figure 3 making the proposition "John it is that kills what =

is John to gratify what is John"? The answer is, that a little exercise=20 of generalising power will show that such a four-way node is really a=20
tetradic relative, which may be expressed in words thus, "-- is=20
identical with -- and with -- and with --"; so that the medad is

        Figure 4

really equivalent to that of Figure 4, which corresponds to prussic acid =

as shown in Figure 5.

        Figure 5

Thus, it becomes plain that every node of bonds is equivalent to a=20
relative; and the doctrine of valency is established for us in logic

FROM THE SIMPLEST MATHEMATICS (THE MANY VALENCY DIAGRAMS WHICH FOLLOW=20
THIS PASSAGE ARE NOT REPRODUCIBLE IN MY PROGRAM

Peirce: CP 4.308 Cross-Ref:++
308. Trichotomic mathematics is not quite so fundamentally important =

as the dichotomic branch; but the need of a study of it is much greater, =

its applications being most vital and its difficulties greater than the=20 dichotomic. Nevertheless, it has received hardly any direct attention.=20 The permutations of three letters have, of course, been noticed, along=20 with other permutations. The theory of the cubic equation is fully made=20 out; along with those of plane and twisted cubic curves. There is also=20 an algebra of novenions. In addition, considerable studies have been=20 made in a particular province of trichotomic mathematics by logicians,=20
without their recognizing the triadic character of the subject.
Peirce: CP 4.308 Cross-Ref:++
A trichotomic mathematics entirely free from any dichotomic element=20 appears to be impossible. For how is the mathematician to take a step=20 without recognizing the duality of truth and falsehood? Hegel and others =

have dreamed of such a thing; but it cannot be. Trichotomic mathematics=20
will therefore be a 2X3 affair, at simplest.
Peirce: CP 4.309 Cross-Ref:++
    309. I will begin this topic by a glance at some of the=20
logico-mathematical generalities, without being too scrupulous about=20
excluding higher numbers than three.
Peirce: CP 4.309 Cross-Ref:++
The most fundamental fact about the number three is its generative=20 potency.+1 This is a great philosophical truth having its origin and=20 rationale in mathematics. It will be convenient to begin with a little a =

priori chemistry.+2 An atom of helion, neon, argon, xenon, crypton,=20
appears to be a medad (if I may be allowed to form a patronymic from=20
{m=E9den}). Argon gives us, with its zero valency, the one single type
A.
Supposing H, L, Na, Ag, etc. and F, Cl, Br, I to have strictly unit=20
valency (which appears not to be true; at least, not for the halogens),=20
then they afford only the two types
H-H H-F,
if these can be called two.
Peirce: CP 4.309 Cross-Ref:++
    Assuming G (glucinum), etc. with O, S, etc., to have valency 2=20
(certainly not true), they might give an endless series of saturated=20
rings, by themselves.).

SOURCE UNCERTAIN

Peirce: CP 5.469 Cross-Ref:++
=A72. THE VALENCY OF CONCEPTS +2

469. I begin, then, with the first idea that it seems desirable to=20 call to your attention. Everybody is familiar with the useful, though=20
fluctuating and relative distinction of matter and form; and it is=20
strikingly true that distinctions and classifications founded upon form=20
are, with very rare exceptions, more important to the scientific=20
comprehension of the behaviour of things than distinctions and=20
classifications founded upon matter. Mendel=E9eff's classification of the=
=20
chemical elements, with which all educated men are, by this time,=20
familiar, affords neat illustrations of this, since the distinctions=20 between what he calls "groups," that is to say, the different vertical=20
columns of his table, consists in the elements of one such "group"=20
entering into different forms of combination with hydrogen and with=20
oxygen from those of another group; or as we usually say, their=20
valencies differ; while the distinctions between what he calls the=20
"series," that is, the different horizontal rows of the table, consist=20 in the less formal, more material circumstance that their atoms have,=20 the elements of one "series," greater masses than those of the other.=20 Now everybody who has the least acquaintance with chemistry knows that,=20 while elements in different horizontal rows but the same vertical column =

always exhibit certain marked physical differences, their chemical=20
behaviours at corresponding temperatures are quite similar; and all the=20 major distinctions of chemical behaviour between different elements are=20
due to their belonging to different vertical columns of the table.
Peirce: CP 5.469 Cross-Ref:++
    This illustration has much more pertinence to pragmatism than=20
appears at first sight; since my researches into the logic of relatives=20 have shown beyond all sane doubt that in one respect combinations of=20 concepts exhibit a remarkable analogy with chemical combinations; every=20 concept having a strict valency. (This must be taken to mean that of=20 several forms of expression that are logically equivalent, that one or=20 ones whose analytical accuracy is least open to question, owing to the=20
introduction of the relation of joint identity, follows the law of=20
valency.) Thus, the predicate "is blue" is univalent, the predicate=20
"kills" is bivalent (for the direct and indirect objects are, grammar=20 aside, as much subjects as is the subject nominative); the predicate=20 "gives" is trivalent, since A gives B to C, etc. Just as the valency of=20
chemistry is an atomic character, so indecomposable concepts may be=20
bivalent or trivalent. Indeed, definitions being scrupulously observed,=20 it will be seen to be a truism to assert that no compound of univalent=20 and bivalent concepts alone can be trivalent, although a compound of any =

concept with a trivalent concept can have at pleasure, a valency higher=20
or lower by one than that of the former concept. Less obvious, yet=20
demonstrable, is the fact that no indecomposable concept has a higher=20 valency. Among my papers are actual analyses of a number greater than I=20 care to state.+1 They are mostly more complex than would be supposed.=20 Thus, the relation between the four bonds of an unsymmetrical carbon=20 atom consists of twenty-four triadic relations. Careful analysis shows=20
that to the three grades of valency of indecomposable concepts=20
correspond three classes of characters or predicates. Firstly come=20
"firstnesses," or positive internal characters of the subject in itself; =

secondly come "secondnesses," or brute actions of one subject or=20
substance on another, regardless of law or of any third subject; thirdly =

comes "thirdnesses," or the mental or quasi-mental influence of one=20
subject on another relatively to a third. Since the demonstration of=20 this proposition is too stiff for the infantile logic of our time (which =

is rapidly awakening, however), I have preferred to state it=20
problematically, as a surmise to be verified by observation. The little=20 that I have contributed to pragmatism (or, for that matter, to any other =

department of philosophy), has been entirely the fruit of this outgrowth =

from formal logic, and is worth much more than the small sum total of=20
the rest of my work, as time will show.


Benjamin Udell wrote:

Jerry,

Gary Richmond's view doesn't technically contradict Gary F.'s statements=
, since Gary F.'s statements were qualified by the possibility of somebod= y's producing evidence, though Gary F. obviously seemed doubtful about th= e idea of the chemical "connection." I felt kind of doubtful too, though = I myself have been aware of people's calling Peirce's theory about monads= , dyads, & triads, a "valency" theory. Actually I wish I'd asked Gary Ric= hmond about it when he included the "valency theory" language in a presen= tation which he wrote & which I produced for him in PowerPoint http://mem= bers.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/aboutcsp/pr-main.htm#richmond . At the= time, I just kind of assumed vaguely...well, I don't know what I was thi= nking. I was thinking about how I was making the presentation look kind o= f "spacy" and the closing theme from the old Fireball XL5 TV show was muc= h in my mind. I'm so deep sometimes. Anyway, if Gary R. says that Peirce = made the chemistry connection explicit in some passages in his writings, =
then I'd assume that Peirce did so.=20

Of course, those would be some interesting passages to read! Unfortunate=
ly, Gary R. has been very busy lately. But I'll ask him later because I'm= curious to read them too. I've been kind of busy myself, or I'd have res= ponded sooner. I started off writing a reply to Jim Piat and it got so lo=
ng that I may never send it.

The Reduction Thesis is: All relations of more than three elements are r=
educible to triadic relations, but triadic relations are not reducible to=
 dyadic and monadic relations.

Best, Ben Udell

=20

[Ben] Off-list, Gary Richmond, who's quite busy, sent me this:

66~~~~~~~~~~
Chemistry expresses itself in Peirce's valency theory (the term is no=
t his but Ken Ketner's who hasn't been given enough credit yet for his wo= rk in this area, something you hinted hadn't been developed in Pierce, et= c.). In any event, see the reduction thesis at work in organic chemistry =
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_nomenclature=20
    =20

Trichotomy, the reduction thesis, the development of EGs, etc. all come =
from Peirce's knowledge of and work in chemistry. In some writings he mak=
es this explicit.
=20

~~~~~~~~~~99
    =20


=20

[Jerry] This is a curious paragraph.
It is too terse for me to understand it.
The first sentence is ambiguous to me.
In particular, what is the reference for the term, "reduction thesis" i=
n this context?
Chemical names are assigned on the basis of a constructive thesis, as s=
tudy of the indicated web address will indicate.
This post apparently contradicts Gary F.'s views.
Can someone untangle the intended communication?
  =20


=20

Cheers
Jerry
  =20




Jerry LR Chandler
Research Professor
Krasnow Institute for Advanced Study
George Mason University





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