Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] objects

2014-05-17 Thread Helmut Raulien
: Can a quality be an object? Or is an object a relationship between a quality (or qualities) and a thing? Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Peircers, I think, there is one assumption that hinders the understanding of semiotics: The triad of representamen-object-interpretant suggests

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] objects

2014-05-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
and operational meaning. Regards, Phyllis Chiasson Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: The singular-plural thing I was wondering about, is, that according to Peirce, the immediate object ist the (one) object as represented in the sign. But I feel, that one representamen can represent (call) eg. three

Aw: SV: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] objects

2014-05-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
. See also Cybersemiotics.com for more material. Best Sren Brier Fra: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sendt: 18. maj 2014 21:09 Til: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Emne: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] objects Dear Phyllis, Not from a linguistic focus, but I am trying to make up

Aw: SV: SV: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] objects

2014-05-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
that his concept of distinction is triadic. The last double issue of Cybernetics Human Knowing (2013) is about interpretations of Spencer Brown. See our home page. After summer we will publish more articles about that. best Sren Fra: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sendt: 18

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Objects

2014-05-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
in the same context of discussion. More, later, if this gets through ... Jon Helmut Raulien wrote: Dear Peircers, I think, there is one assumption that hinders the understanding of semiotics: The triad of representamen-object-interpretant suggests, that there be only one object implied. I think

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Realworld solutions to realworld problems

2014-06-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Stephen, List, I think, that misogyny and misandry have systemic reasons: A human body is secondness of two (or more) systems: The thinking/communication system, in which the mind is thirdness (structure), and the self and species preserving system, in which epigenes and genes are the

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Realworld solutions to realworld problems

2014-06-03 Thread Helmut Raulien
-versus-woman narrative ignores the original source of the violence that a child first learns from their primary nurturer. sj -Original Message- From: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014 8:05 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Realworld

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] THIRD? REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN

2014-06-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
: [PEIRCE-L] THIRD? REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN Lynching was a habit that was broken by social intervention and we would only go back to it in he event of an unprecedented regression. We do inch along ethicaly extendingi the reach of tolerance, helpfulness, democracy and non-idolatry. Progress

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] on Peirce’s “Questions Concerning Certain Faculties Claimed for Man”

2014-06-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Gary, Cognitions determined by previous cognitions, I would say, refers only to indices and symbols. But what about icons? They transport their meanings within themselves, with no previous cognition (knowing, that the smoke comes from a fire, or what a words conventional meaning is) needed, I

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon

2014-06-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
:[PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirces Questions, i.e. icon GCM: (Cf. EP 1: 226, 1885) Maybe Peirce has a tendency to be over precise. That is why I like to anchor my statements about him in his most open, nave, first versions and then go under the microscope. I am quoting here his first

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny?

2014-06-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirces Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny? There are myriad individuals who are not by our standards fully formed, normal, etc. I will never forget a visit in Winston-Salem to a facility literally filled with almost identical human beings all of whom were condemned

Aw: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny?

2014-06-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
@list.iupui.edu Betreff:RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirces Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny? Dear Helmut, Or maybe rather: Die Quantitt der Potate ist indirekt proportional zur Intelligenskapazitt ihres Kultivators! (Or, as it is put in the south: Der Dmmste Bauer hat die

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny?

2014-06-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
: Between mind-controlled behaviours versus insinctive behaviours) take place. Best, Helmut Gesendet:Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2014 um 19:11 Uhr Von:Eugene Halton eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu An:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Betreff:RE: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirces

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Stephen, List, Gary Richmond wrote, that your triad differs from Peirces. when I first read about your assignment of the triad reality-ethics-esthetics to the categories, I had the impression that it is different from my understanding. But now I think, that assignment of elements of a triad

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
are obscured or confused. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Stephen, List, Gary Richmond wrote

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Stephen, List, Gary Richmond wrote, that your triad differs from Peirces

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
are obscured or confused. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Stephen, List, Gary Richmond wrote

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: determination in semiosis

2014-06-16 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Sung, Jerry, List, is it ok to interpret Sungs statement as follows? Formally means in its role as an object, and ontologically means: What it is (as an entity) in possible other contexts. One example: The agreement, that money is a value-exchange medium. Money is a value-exchange-medium

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: determination in semiosis

2014-06-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Sung, Thank you! I think you are showing a way for even me to eventually understand the ten classes of signs. I havent yet looked at the DOCX files, because my computer is too old, I will look at them in an internet cafe. Now I have the idea, but will have to think about it some more, that

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
I dont think, that materialism and idealism are monisms, but, that monism is a hypothesis, that says, that both, ideas and matter, are derivates of the same thing (genotype or so), of which none is more fundamental than the other. What makes them different derivates on one hand, and combines them

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logic is Social

2014-06-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi, i have not read the text by Peirce, but wonder, what social might have to do with logic, because many, if not most social structures are collusions (common illusions), such as myths, that are rather made up to create an impression of logic, where there is none, in order to cope with

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logic is Social

2014-06-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
of deductive predictions, the prospect of error correction is much of the main point, to check the conclusions (predictions) against observations. Best, Ben On 6/27/2014 10:30 AM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Hi, i have not read the text by Peirce, but wonder, what social might have to do with logic

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Stephen, All, I agree, that (Esthetics, Ethics, Logic) is a quite fundamental triad, in accord with Peirces categories (1,2,3). Now what do you think of this thought: Categories are supposed to be something most fundamental. Now, what is the most fundamental? The matrix of everything, in

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
evil and ugly to the most beautiful, true and good. I am sure this makes no sense but its what I think. @stephencrose On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Stephen, All, I agree, that (Esthetics, Ethics, Logic) is a quite fundamental triad

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
fascinates me. I think of Peirce from time to time and his relationships. We do not share much I am sure but some abrasiveness perhaps and an odd sense that things are more OK for more reasons than many seem t see. Cheers, S @stephencrose On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
treat. Best, Gary Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York C 745 718 482-5690 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Thank you, Stephen, for you answer and your

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Jon, List, Instead of embodied in systems, I think, logic is embodied in the biggest possible system, the universe, as a part of its thirdness (structure, continuum). Other aspects of this thirdness, I would say, are natural laws and constants. For subsystems like organisms or social systems,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: There is a logical fallacy in my text: If the universe has a superstructure (logic), it cannot be the biggest possible system. Ok, so it is not. Hi Jon, List, Instead of embodied in systems, I think, logic is embodied in the biggest possible system, the universe, as a part of

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
: Helmut Raulien To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Whats The Use? Supplement: There is a logical fallacy in my text: If the universe has a superstructure (logic), it cannot be the biggest possible system. Ok, so it is not. Hi Jon

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] What's The Use?

2014-10-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
to test out as we proceed. Regards, Jon Helmut Raulien wrote: Hi Jon, List, Instead of embodied in systems, I think, logic is embodied in the biggest possible system, the universe, as a part of its thirdness (structure, continuum). Other aspects of this thirdness, I would say, are natural

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
I would say, it is not an argument, because there is no because or therefore in its message (no syllogism), but only a statement of combination. In the sign relaition it is a combination of the outer shape, the shapes of the elements, and the dispersion oft he elements in the outer shape. So the

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Example of Dicisign?

2014-10-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: Please replace in my text dicisign with sinsign, and dicent with dicisign. I only knew the word dicent for dicisign, and thought, that dicisign was a synonym for sinsign, because of the ending sign. I would say, it is not an argument, because there is no because or therefore in

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7077] iconic commitment (was: Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.6)

2014-10-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
I suspect, that in this quote Peirce meant sign for representamen, and by writing whether they be... he meant whether their object relation was This is inaccurate by Peirce. Edwina writes more accurately, and is right, I think: With Sign (first letter capital) she means the whole sign, and

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:7077] Natural Propositions, Chapter 3.6, modern chemistry and icons commit themselves to nothing at all

2014-10-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
But, if chemical icons are a direct consequence of physical laws, that would mean, they can be reduced to them. In a prebiotic world, they would not be icons, but only likenesses not interpreted. I think, an icon is an interpreted likeness, and interpretation of a likeness (icon) requires an

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi! I think, that Mumford, to whom Brooks refers, is quite close to the Isis: Life is not worth fighting for: bare life is worthless. Justice is worth fighting for, order is worth fighting for, culture ... .is worth fighting for: These universal principles and values give purpose and direction to

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
, a fierce attack on the antidemocratic military-industrial-academic establishment. Eugene Halton, Bereft of Reason, University of Chicago Press, 1995, pp147f. --- On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: My post was a bit polemic, because I was mad

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
for reasons which I wont go into here. But to attain that power, requires massive brutality and killing. And massive repression, where a huge section of the population are reduced to slavery. Am I my brothers keeper? Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: peirce-l

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] More Pragmatism, Not Less

2014-10-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
force when people act in concert through various means. The demythologizing and acceptance of our responsibility to know what is good and what not is the project of this century as folk from Nietzsche to Nozick have suggested. @stephencrose On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Helmut Raulien

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:7717] Re: Peirce's classifications -

2014-12-09 Thread Helmut Raulien
-5690 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Dear Gary, List, a kind of maybe too sillyfying suggestion: Isnt thirdness relations? So it would be the relations between psycical and physical science. Or, to generalize, there are no dyads, because any two

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatic Cosmos

2014-12-23 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, Sung, List, Sung, you have asked,, whether logic is only human or also cosmological. But the cosmos, I think, has been working according to logic before life and humans had been there. On the other hand you, Jon, wrote, that logic is a special kind of ethics, and ethics is is a

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Pragmatic Cosmos

2014-12-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi! I do not think, that my point of view or my argumentation has anything to do with celestial spheres or bearded father figures. I am a left wing anarchist liberal communist feminist anticapitalist antifashist and so on. I am against any authorority, except the authority of God. And, what this

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Pragmatic Cosmos

2014-12-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
/15244 HR:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15246 Helmut, One should not take that illustrative example too literally. I was simply making another try at clarifying my use of the word cosmos and replying to Sung about anthropocentricity. Regards, Jon Helmut Raulien wrote

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Pragmatic Cosmos

2014-12-27 Thread Helmut Raulien
in its nature opposes communism, fascism and liberalism. But being left wing promotes communism and fascism. Liberalism promotes capitalism. And anti-authority rejects Peircean Thirdness and Mind. Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Friday

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Pragmatic Cosmos

2014-12-31 Thread Helmut Raulien
- From: Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net To: Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 10:20 PM Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Pragmatic Cosmos Thread: JBD:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15230 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: Now there is one thing, I am not clear about, that is the meaning of the adjective normative. To me- might be, because I am not a native speaker of English, normative sounds somewhat like dogmatic. I think, that proper (in my understanding of proper) science is nothing but inquiry.

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear John, List, in your definition of pragmatic ethics you have included: in order to achieve the admirable or the good in itself that is determined by a prior consideration of esthetics. Now I dont see, what might be left for the other kind of ethics, the prescriptive ethics. Especially, if

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Thoughts On Normative Sciences

2015-01-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, Stefan, list Jon, you understand german? well, i still think, that these rules of inferment or logic are objects of scientific inquiry or investigation. So it is not the science itself, that is normative, but it is the rules, discovered by science, that are- but their normativity is

Fw: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Six Ways Of Looking At A Triadic Relation ⌬ 1

2015-02-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Jon, List, you said, that these six sentences express one and the same indivisible phenomenon.. That is right, the core phenomenon is the same. With core phenomenon I mean the observed event. But the difference is made by the observers, of which there are two: First the overall

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Six Ways of Looking at a Triadic Relation ⌬ 1

2015-02-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
recourse to their stocks. But the logical statement per se is more abstract than that. Its substance must be extracted from the sol of its mother liquor if Apollo be saved from deriving while intoxicated by Dionysian phantoms. Cheers, Jon On 2/4/2015 3:49 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Hi Jon, List, you

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Animated Logical Graphs

2015-01-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, List, understanding mathematics is very hard for me. I remember, that for understanding integral and differential calculation, i had to calculate many exemplaric problems, before I understood, what it is good for, and how it works. Same with thermodynamics: How does a carnot process

Fw: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Animated Logical Graphs

2015-01-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: In this wolf- rabbit- example, the discussion was, what is the representamen, and what is the object. This is a very fundamental question. Edwina had an answer to that (representamen coming from the wolves experience or mind), which I firstly thought to be unique, but to which I

Aw: RE: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Six Ways of Looking at a Triadic Relation ⌬ 1

2015-02-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
expressions, but logic conceived as normative semiotics is an inquiry oriented toward more focal aims. Regards, Jon On 2/12/2015 6:15 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, I was thinking of comparing the sentence C thanks A for B with a square root: The square root of a positive number has either

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Six Ways of Looking at a Triadic Relation ⌬ 1

2015-02-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
whatever manner of free associations and personal connotations might chance to pass through a given interpreters head or external expressions, but logic conceived as normative semiotics is an inquiry oriented toward more focal aims. Regards, Jon On 2/12/2015 6:15 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Six Ways of Looking at a Triadic Relation ⌬ 1

2015-02-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
as normative semiotics is an inquiry oriented toward more focal aims. Regards, Jon On 2/12/2015 6:15 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, I was thinking of comparing the sentence C thanks A for B with a square root: The square root of a positive number has either a positive or a negative result

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] abduction in the brain

2015-03-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi! Does physical mean natural or material? I think, that it means natural, although in medicine it is often used for affairs of the body in contrast to affairs of the mind (psychical). In Greek physica means science of the nature. Maybe this is only a term problem? Helmut Gesendet:Samstag,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Denotation and Connotation

2015-02-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi! I think, denotation is a present action, like a representamen is denoting an object, or like somebody is denoting something. Connotation is not an actual action, but a trait a term has due to its history, or due to the understanding of the person who hears or reads the term-denoting word-

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Jesus and the Pragmatic Maxim

2015-04-29 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Stephen, Stephen, List, Stephen C. Rose, I like your poem very much. I think, that The heart is new means, that it is reconnected to something very old, namely to a universal principle, like the term religion means reconnection. It is also new, because it (the new heart) newly is letting go

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:8468] Re: Natural Propositions,

2015-04-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Catherine, List, All I want to put in is my opinion, that there are two kinds -or basic parts- of metaphysics, clearly distinguished: One is experience (axioms), and the other is tautology (mathematics). Ok, mathematics too is based on axioms, but axioms are nothing but themselves, and

[PEIRCE-L] Fw: [biosemiotics:8592] Re: Natural

2015-05-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: Patient and agent for me are not a dyad, but parts of a triad, consisting of: Patiens, Agens, Effect. Neither of these three is thinkable or senseful with one of them missing. Dear Stan, Peirceans, Dyadicity or triadicity? My hypothesis about dyadicity is, that there are two

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:8580] Re: Natural

2015-05-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi!! Agent, Patient, and Effect are a triadic affair, call it relation, call it what you want, but they are triadic. If there is no effect, there was no activity (no Agens). If there was nothing to be the subject, there was no patiens. If there was no effect, there were neither both of them. If

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?

2015-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
in the pragmatic maxim. In effect the fruits by which we are known. Bookshttp://buff.ly/15GfdqUArt:http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts:http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Sounds right to me. Maybe the question, which is firstness

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?

2015-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
. Icon Index Symbol Creator, Incarnation, Gift of the Spirit to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Bookshttp://buff.ly/15GfdqUArt:http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts:http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Sung, Lists, I so

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?

2015-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Sung, Lists, I so far rather think, that firstness is associated to representamen, and secondness to object. So I propose the following assignment, though just in the context of the christian God (because in christian religion there is already a triad, the trinity, which, I think, is ancient

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?

2015-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
with a capacity for mindful human action in light of the encounter of 1 and 2. Bookshttp://buff.ly/15GfdqUArt:http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts:http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Stephen! But why not assign Father, Son and Holy

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can it be that God is irreducibly triadic, a Peircean sign, and a mathematical category ?

2015-05-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
of consciousness that I would associate with a capacity for mindful human action in light of the encounter of 1 and 2. Bookshttp://buff.ly/15GfdqUArt:http://buff.ly/1wXAxbl Gifts:http://buff.ly/1wXADj3 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Stephen! But why

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8597] Re: Natural

2015-05-07 Thread Helmut Raulien
, the borne, the balanced, which, with due stability, is form as structure as cause. I dont mean to sound melodramatic, but thats the two cents worth that keeps me interested in philosophy. Best, Ben On 5/6/2015 9:04 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Hi!! Agent, Patient, and Effect are a triadic affair, call

[PEIRCE-L] Fw: [biosemiotics:8316] Re: A unified theory of the AMOUNT of

2015-04-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
Gesendet:Dienstag, 14. April 2015 um 21:51 Uhr Von:Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de An:biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Betreff:[biosemiotics:8316] Re: A unified theory of the AMOUNT of Dear Sung, Stan, Edwina, List, because it is about systems, information, and mind, I would like to utter my

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
and tools, which we can try out in various applications. In this regard we must be wary of a certain ontologizing tendency that tends to get us stuck on only one way of seeing things. Regards, Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Apr 4, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] What is information and how is it related to 'entropy' ?

2015-04-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, not having read Shannon and Weaver, my concept of entropy now relates only to the physical world, that is realworld systems with their system space being the real dimensions x, y, z, resp. longitude, broadness and altitude. And I think, that Jons definition is correct. The other kind of

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-19 Thread Helmut Raulien
Their Relatives : 9 ( http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2015/06/19/relations-their-relatives-9/ ) Please let me know if my reading of your sense is right or not. Regards, Jon On 6/18/2015 6:51 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Supplement: On the other hand, even if interpretants are not an own class

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
systemic formulation. Best, Harry Procter -Original Message- From: Jon Awbrey [mailto:jawb...@att.net] Sent: 19 June 2015 20:40 To: Helmut Raulien Cc: Peirce List Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory . 1 Helmut, List, I wasnt completely sure about the meaning of your

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-22 Thread Helmut Raulien
-adic relation cannot be reduced to 1-adic and/or 2-adic relations. But a 4-adic relation can be reduced to relations not higher than 3-adic. So, obviously it has nothing to do with naturalism and so on. Best, Helmut Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net wrote: On 6/21/2015 3:31 AM, Helmut Raulien wrote

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Sign_relation ) Regards, Jon On 6/22/2015 10:24 AM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, yes. And I just think that I must add, that what I have written below is likely to be wrong: Somewhere in the internet I have just read, that Peirces reduction hypothesis has been proven

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
at issue, or any subject matters, are adequately covered by monadic predicates, in their proper, non-vacuous use, and when it is time to call in the resources of higher adic relative terms. Regards, Jon On 6/20/2015 2:42 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, Harry, List, Is ontologism really the problem

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
is how we decide when the phenomena at issue, or any subject matters, are adequately covered by monadic predicates, in their proper, non-vacuous use, and when it is time to call in the resources of higher adic relative terms. Regards, Jon On 6/20/2015 2:42 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, Harry

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: On the other hand, even if interpretants are not an own class (or is the word domain?), their representations in a mind may well be, and certainly are. So- triadicity is rescued for me, I now think. Dear Jon, Peircers, I am wondering whether, mathematically spoken, there really

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-18 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Jon, Peircers, I am wondering whether, mathematically spoken, there really are 3-adic relations in semiotics. An interpretant is a 2-adic relation (between representamen and object). But are interpretants an own class? Or are they a common class with representamens (syntactic domain)- or

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-06-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
consideration: Triadic Relations ( http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Triadic_relation ) Sign Relations ( http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Sign_relation ) Regards, Jon On 6/22/2015 10:24 AM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, yes. And I just think that I must add, that what I

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ?

2015-06-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
Sung, Lists, I think, in medieval time it was integrated, because it all was but abduction (they even burnt witches because of abductive inferment). Disintegration took place because science invented/explored wishful complete induction, and deduction. Now, as abduction is firstness, induction

[PEIRCE-L] semiotical systems theory

2015-06-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Oops- I had forgotten how to look at it: www.signs-in-time.de Hi Everybody! I have started again writing a semiotical systems theory, after having made quite a lot of mistakes. This time again, I would not claim that it is rid of mistakes- but why not try again. After all, the core is still

[PEIRCE-L] semiotical systems theory

2015-06-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Hi Everybody! I have started again writing a semiotical systems theory, after having made quite a lot of mistakes. This time again, I would not claim that it is rid of mistakes- but why not try again. After all, the core is still the same as it has been, so, my central points I do not see as

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] semiotical systems theory

2015-06-15 Thread Helmut Raulien
Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York C 745 718 482-5690 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Oops- I had forgotten how to look at it: www.signs-in-time.de Hi Everybody! I have started again writing a semiotical systems

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
Stephen, How should one know whether he/she would be offended without having read it? I think, critique is always justified, about anything. The only offending is that what sometimes comes along with the critique and is more than critique: For example striking back by applying similar methods to

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
, if I read you correctly, rest assured that I only strive to state things as they are. However, it is a necessary warning to include. I dont want to create the impression that I am trying to trick anyone into reading something that they ultimately wont want to read. sj From: Helmut Raulien

Aw: RE: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-01 Thread Helmut Raulien
, rest assured that I only strive to state things as they are. However, it is a necessary warning to include. I dont want to create the impression that I am trying to trick anyone into reading something that they ultimately wont want to read. sj From: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent

Aw: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
... the part that is missing from The Patriarchy myth is non-trivial: http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/evo-psych/transcending-the-matriarchy/ sj From: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015 6:12 PM To: Stephen Jarosek Cc: Peirce List; biosemiot

Aw: [biosemiotics:8747] Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Sung, Edwina, List, I think, the problem can (alternatively to the complicated syllogism logic) be explained with intension-extension and an inaccuracy inherent to the term to be: To say All signs are Peircean, does not mean, that this are is an activity by the signs, but by Peirce. Signs

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ?

2015-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
. Sung On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Sung, Lists, I think, in medieval time it was integrated, because it all was but abduction (they even burnt witches because of abductive inferment). Disintegration took place because science invented/explored

Aw: [biosemiotics:8730] Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ?

2015-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
. Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: biosemiotics ; PEIRCE-L Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:58 PM Subject: Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ? Thank you, Edwina! Sorry for my mistake: When in reality a wolf

Aw: [biosemiotics:8730] Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ?

2015-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
is itself reversed! Time isnt physically connected to an event. And I dont know what your reference to the categories implies; I think that you often have a confused understanding of the categories - but- I wont go into them. Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: Edwina

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-07-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
and irreducibility that arise in semiotics. But I will have to break for dinner first ... Jon On 7/1/2015 3:45 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, I am referring to the second link of yours: Relation reduction, the second example with A (Ann), B (Bob) u (you), i (I), resp. the representations of them

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Survey of Relation Theory • 1

2015-07-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
to distinguish different uses of various letters, especially I and i, but if this much is clear we can move on to discuss the two types of reducibility and irreducibility that arise in semiotics. But I will have to break for dinner first ... Jon On 7/1/2015 3:45 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Jon, List, I am

Aw: RE: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York C 745 718 482-5690 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de wrote: Stephen, I like very much the book by Jean Liedloff: The continuum concept. By this book and other

Aw: Re: RE: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] More on applying theory - culture, projection

2015-07-02 Thread Helmut Raulien
Maybe we could split the topic, and talk about primal nurturer and mammal instincts in the biosemiotics list, and about myths in a Peirce-related way in the Peirce list? Best, Helmut Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Agree about broad and do not think it is forced if the

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Can we integrate physics, biology, and philosophy ?

2015-06-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
wrote: Helmut - try EP:2, pp 480-481. And the CP, Vol. 8, ..all the parts to Lady Welby. See also an interesting article: http://see.library.utoronto.ca/SEED/Vol6-1/Farias_Queiroz.pdf Edwina - Original Message - From: Helmut Raulien To: Sungchul Ji Cc: biosemiotics ; PEIRCE

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8676] Re: self-R

2015-05-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
. They seem to be very different conceptions that are associated with very different kinds of phenomena were trying to explain. --Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Helmut Raulien [h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8682] Re: self-R

2015-05-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
to explain. --Jeff Jeff Downard Associate Professor Department of Philosophy NAU (o) 523-8354 From: Helmut Raulien [h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 1:37 PM To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Subject: [biosemiotics:8672] Re: self-R The difficult thing

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8684] Re: self-R

2015-05-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
, John From: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent: May 25, 2015 5:53 PM To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Cc: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8676] Re: self-R Jeff, Lists, John Collier wrote, that memory is not the same as same

[PEIRCE-L] Aw: [biosemiotics:8688] Re: self-R

2015-05-26 Thread Helmut Raulien
. I am much surer of the ecology case. The papers might help if you have time, but the basics are above. John From: Helmut Raulien [mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de] Sent: May 26, 2015 6:17 PM To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Cc: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Recently published: Hitler and Abductive Logic

2015-07-14 Thread Helmut Raulien
:46 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: Ben Novaks Book is Peirce-related, because it is about abduction, and how abduction was misused by Hitler. Edwina had mentioned many other historical, economical, and other causes for this ideology. This was Peirce related because it was about the fixation of belief

  1   2   3   4   5   >