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}Jon - even a Dicent Indexical Sinsign functions in a triad - that
infamous weathervane...which is an interaction between two subjects.
And for dyadic actions to take place, the two agents in brute
interaction
Edwina, List:
I continue to be confused by your latest comments. From a purely logical
standpoint, "no Signs are things" entails "no things are Signs," unless
there is some sort of equivocation on the meaning of "Signs" and/or
"things." You said that you agree with me that "a sign is not a real
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}Jon - I am saying that a 'thing' cannot exist unless it is in
interaction with another 'thing'. This interaction is always
semiosic. Therefore, an insect does not exist 'per se' but only in
interaction with...the air,
Gary F., List:
It sounds like we both analyze the girl's scream as a Sign for the mother,
rather than as a Dynamic Object for the mother. Since you call it a
"natural sign," I am guessing that we also both view the hot burner as its
Dynamic Object. In this case, the burner *determines *the Sign
Edwina, List:
I am having trouble following you here. Since you agree that a Sign is not
a thing, what does it mean to say that things must also be Signs? Are you
suggesting that *all things* must also be Signs, or that *all Dynamic
Objects* must also be Signs, or something else entirely? In
Jon, Helmut,
Jon, yes, I’m sure that Peirce’s emphasis is on a sign not being a thing. I
think he says it that way, rather than invoking his usual distinction between
existence and reality, because “New Elements” was intended to be the preface to
an “elementary” book in the sense that it would
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}Jon AS - I agree with your outline of the 'sign is not a real
thing'.
With regard to the necessity of the Dynamic Object, I'd suggest that
this Dynamic Object, as a thing also requires that it be related, so
to
Helmut, Gary F., List:
I suspect that we are misplacing the emphasis if we read Peirce as saying
that "a sign is not a *real *thing"; I take him to be saying instead that
"a sign is not a real *thing*." In other words, genuine Signs are
constituents of the *third *Universe of Experience, rather
Gary, List,
I think it is not easy to decide (I don´t have a child) whether a baby´s scream is a token of "scream gets mother´s attention" (learned) or "I have a problem, and thus scream by instinct" (instinctively). About the term "real thing" I wonder if there is a definition. About the term
Jon, list,
Gary R is the one to thank for noticing the timeliness of the example — on my
blog it started out as just the two translations of the Dogen text, and the
semiotic commentary was an afterthought.
I recall that years ago, when we were discussing Peirce’s “New Elements” on the
list,
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