Gary M, to answer your question about my previous post, where I wrote But this
general person [God] is still not real independently of the believer’s belief —
My point was that the pragmatic effects of belief in [a benign] God are real
and observable only because the believers have actually
: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
My experience with NA has lead me to similar understandings. If God and love
are synonymous terms, as even many fundamentalists will agree. And if love
(justice) are Real forces as Peirce says
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To: Jeffrey Brian Downard; Gary Fuhrman; peirce-l@list iupui. edu
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
My experience with NA has lead me to similar understandings. If God and love
: Phyllis Chiasson [mailto:ath...@olympus.net]
Sent: 22-Jun-14 8:53 PM
To: Jeffrey Brian Downard; Gary Fuhrman; peirce-l@list iupui. edu
Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
My experience with NA has lead me to similar
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*To:* Jeffrey Brian Downard; Gary Fuhrman; peirce-l@list iupui. edu
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God, science
Fuhrman [g...@gnusystems.ca]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 5:28 AM
To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Having just caught up with this thread, I’d like to add one belated comment.
Peirce’s God is ens
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Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:22 AM
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Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Thanks, Jeff, this helps to clarify the issue. Your quote from CP 6.295 is a
kind of precursor to the Neglected Argument
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From: Gary Fuhrman [g...@gnusystems.ca]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:22 AM
To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Thanks, Jeff, this helps to clarify
; Steven Ericsson-Zenith
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*Subject:* SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
Dear Stev(ph)en and list
About the meaning of spirituality. I am presently reading Basarab
Nicolescu (2014): *From modernity to Cosmodernity
In a few words, Peirce offers a context for his theology (from
Pragmatism In Retrospect - A Last Formulation. I, for one, heartily
admit that a Humanism that does not pretend to be a science, but only an
instinct, like a bird's power of flight, but purified by meditation, is the
most precious
; Catherine Legg; Gary Richmond;
g...@gnusystems.ca
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
I concur with Edwina; I see no reason to call the real here 'god'. I have
taken a similar line in my classes for decades when looking
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 9:06 AM
Subject: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on
God, science and religion: text 1
Dear John
What term other than God would you find better? We are talking about
the ultimate reality that holds everything else together
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Sendt: 17. juni 2014 16:28
Til: Søren Brier; John Collier; Edwina Taborsky; Catherine Legg; Gary Richmond;
g...@gnusystems.ca
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Well, Søren, I would agree, as implicitly
Let's look at the ethics of religious terminology in light of efficient cause
and final cause. The authors of the New Testament were members of a fertility
cult and the term Jesus was a thinly veiled code word for a psychedelic
mushroom. (Source: the Dead Sea Scroll scholar, John Allegro). This
On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Matt Faunce mattfau...@gmail.com wrote:
In arithmetic the term 'division' once meant that your result could only
amount to something less than the original amount. Today the term has been
expanded to where it can be used to represent ratios like 2/6.
Wow.
On Jun 17, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote:
I wouldn't speculate that Peirce wanted God to be a 'thing-in-itself'.
There's no evidence, to my knowledge, of that.
Only reason I bring that up is more because of the place of God in traditional
Christian theology. My
List, Stephen:
I fully concur with your characterization of the context of what is being
attempted with the categorization of a particular post as being Peircian or
not; or of things Peircian or not..
From my view, the richness of the mind / writings of CSP are so vast and
far-flung and so
Thanks Jerry. Nice to wake up to. I think we can generally say if it is
clearly dualistic and the reasoning is binary, we-they,
my-way-or-the-highway, we don't agree. If the thought is triadic,
reflecting thinking in threes as a conscious dealing with signs, we are at
least in the ball-park,
; Phyllis Chiasson
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science
and religion: text 1
Thanks Jerry. Nice to wake up to. I think we can generally say if it is
clearly dualistic and the reasoning is binary, we-they, my-way
@list.iupui.edu ; Phyllis Chiasson
ath...@olympus.net
*Sent:* Monday, June 02, 2014 7:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
Thanks Jerry. Nice to wake up to. I think we can generally say if it is
clearly dualistic and the reasoning
Message -
From: Stephen C. Rose
To: Edwina Taborsky
Cc: Jerry LR Chandler ; Peirce List ; Phyllis Chiasson
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science
and religion: text 1
There is no gainsaying that dualism is real
Chandlermailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com ; Peirce
Listmailto:Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu ; Phyllis
Chiassonmailto:ath...@olympus.net
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Let us agree to disagree lest we get into a dualistic warp. I
Elizabeth Lorena Johansson;
Claudia Jacques (c...@claudiajacques.org); Elisabeth Sørup; Seth Miller;
Leslie Combs
*Emne:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science
and religion: text 1
Contradictory and I doubt Peircean.
Steven
On Monday, May 19, 2014, Søren
...@claudiajacques.org); Elisabeth Sørup; Seth Miller;
Leslie Combs
*Emne:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
Contradictory and I doubt Peircean.
Steven
On Monday, May 19, 2014, Søren Brier sb@cbs.dk wrote:
1. God is real but does not exist
01:19
Til: Søren Brier
Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edumailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; Kathrine Elizabeth
Lorena Johansson; Claudia Jacques
(c...@claudiajacques.orgmailto:c...@claudiajacques.org); Elisabeth Sørup;
Seth Miller; Leslie Combs
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God
Johansson; Claudia
Jacques (c...@claudiajacques.org); Elisabeth Sørup; Seth Miller; Leslie Combs
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Contradictory and I doubt Peircean.
Steven
On Monday, May 19, 2014, Søren Brier sb@cbs.dkmailto:sb
Stephen,
I don't understand your post.
Phyllis
Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote:
Peircean Yikes. The problem is that anything we do about Peirce of anyone
really is characterization which I hold to be at worst a curse and at best
a brake on the inherent freedom of anyone to grow,
Phyllis...I feel that if I say Peirce is (any characteristic) or say that
of anyone I am in violation of the command judge not that you be not
judged. I see even Peircean as a sort of litmus test (are you are aren't
you?). Does this explain it? Cheers, S
*@stephencrose
The specific designation I was replying to was a one line post which which
said an article about triadic physics was not Peircean so I shall let
that be my example. I have sensed from Peirce the suggestion that the self
itself is vague. And that the community is important to the disposition of
Contradictory and I doubt Peircean.
Steven
On Monday, May 19, 2014, Søren Brier sb@cbs.dk wrote:
1. God is real but does not exist: so the best way to worship him is
through the religion of science
I thought this sums up nicely Section 9.6 in Kees’ book and was a good way
to start
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From: Gary Richmond [mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 23-May-14 11:44 PM
To: Phyllis Chiasson
Cc: Søren Brier; Stephen C. Rose; Gary Fuhrman; Peirce List
Subject: Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science
; Stephen C. Rose; Gary Fuhrman; Peirce List
*Subject:* Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
Phyllis, Gene, Soren, Stephen, Gary, Ben, list,
I earlier quoted Ehrenreich as writing:
*[T]he world flamed into life.*
*There were
of the natural light does allow for the longer
evolutionary perspective.
Gene
From: Gary Fuhrman [mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:21 AM
To: 'Peirce List'
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Søren, list,
Peirce
use the term here?
Best
Søren
Fra: Eugene Halton [mailto:eugene.w.halto...@nd.edu]
Sendt: 23. maj 2014 17:38
Til: 'Peirce List'
Emne: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
I agree with Gary Fuhrman's point
nothing to the growth of concrete
reasonableness, which he virtually equates with the evolution of God.
gary f.
*From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 21-May-14 11:04 AM
*To:* Gary Fuhrman
*Cc:* Peirce List
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section
List
*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
For starters this unpublished fragment noted in Brent (2nd ed) as CSP
to PC [20 July 1890) (L 77) which reads in part:: Since then God is
using me ... should I not be content
Søren
Fra: Gary Fuhrman [mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca]
Sendt: 21. maj 2014 17:21
Til: 'Peirce List'
Emne: RE: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Søren, list,
Peirce did not use the term panentheism because it wasn't available
from myself,
leaving my cares
forgotten among the lilies.
Best
Søren
Fra: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com]
Sendt: 21. maj 2014 20:18
Til: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science
Sorry, It was Ben who found the quote about walking in the garden.
Søren
Fra: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com]
Sendt: 21. maj 2014 20:18
Til: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Quick
,
leaving my cares
forgotten among the lilies.
Best
Søren
Fra: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com]
Sendt: 21. maj 2014 20:18
Til: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Subject: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God,
science and religion: text 1
Dear Gary and list
Peirce seems keen to work with the foundation of all religions, which is
one way to characterize the pure types of mysticism and the theory of
collecting them into a perennial
. maj 2014 23:00
Til: Søren Brier
Cc: g...@gnusystems.ca; Peirce-L@list.iupui.edu
Emne: Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and
religion: text 1
Soren:
Forgive my intrusion and brevity. This is a beatiful message. In Spanish we
would say: muy hermoso.
Eduardo
*Fra:* Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com bud...@nyc.rr.com]
*Sendt:* 21. maj 2014 20:18
*Til:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
*Emne:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science
and religion: text 1
Quick followup on L 482 or whatever it really is:
Douglas R. Anderson
I think within the NA text there is ample basis for inferring that at the
time of its writing CSP had long practiced what he advocated - a damningly
unstructured mode of thinking that he advocated almost universally and
certainly for persons untrained in the philosophy that is the basis for
most
1. God is real but does not exist: so the best way to worship him is through
the religion of science
I thought this sums up nicely Section 9.6 in Kees' book and was a good way to
start the discussion of: God, science and religion. Peirce's theory of the
relation between science and religion is
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