RE: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-21 Thread frances.kelly
Frances to Edwina and Listers--- Thanks for your most recent reply, but please allow me to dig a little more into Peircean writings for some clarity on his ideas about idealism and representamen. Let me read further on specifically what the difference might be for Peirce between "idealist

RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-20 Thread frances.kelly
Frances to Edwina and listers--- My search goes on for a Peircean approach to at least metaphysical being. In response to your kind reply, consider some of my rambling tentative guesses, but without any specific Peircean references. (The new lettered paras directly below roughly refer to the

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, list, I find your dialogue between DOs very interesting, like in your examples some days ago, with the wind, water, and waves. Then I thought, maybe when there is such an interaction, the sign grows spatially: The DOs merge to one DO. Like, first, when there is only the wind but no

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-13 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list Interesting. I continue to differentiate between the internal and external - and also, between the local stimuli and non-local laws. I agree that the Sign is a functional composition - but I consider that it is also a spatial and temporal one. It exists and

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Mike, Edwina, list, I have worked out a different model. it is based on the three Peircean categories, and Stanley N. SaltheĀ“s distinction between subsumption (which is the same or something closely related to classification), and composition. The result of it regarding the sign is, that the

Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Frances - thanks for your comments. I'll try to respond below On Wed 11/04/18 10:13 PM , frances.ke...@sympatico.ca sent: Frances in the wings to Edwina and listers--- 1. Allow me to musingly guess, it perhaps may be the representamen of phenomena that fully fills the whole

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Mike, list - Thanks for your supportive comments. I'll try to clear up some points. 1] When I say that a degenerate mode of Thirdness is operating, I don't mean that it excludes - within the whole triad - the other modes. For example, with the bird beak - Let's say

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-11 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Edwina, List, Thank you; I knew you would respond in a complete and thoughtful manner. (I also apologize to Frances for responding earlier in the thread and hijacking her more recent comment, since I first asked the question and had been formulating a

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-11 Thread frances.kelly
Frances in the wings to Edwina and listers--- 1. Allow me to musingly guess, it perhaps may be the representamen of phenomena that fully fills the whole cosmic universe, allowing that there may also be some primal phenomena that are not representamen, and that objects as signs only fills a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Asking for Specifics

2018-04-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Mike - I sent a long response but it seems to have disappeared. I'll try again. First - I expect this response will be met with indifference or sneers from the list but I maintain that there is nothing in my view