Aw: Re: : [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-13 Thread Helmut Raulien
Thank you, Jon and Edwina. I don´t understand it, except I have a hunch that he is saying: A thing´s form is unique, and its matter is not, because other things are also made of the same material. I guess I rather want to keep my concept of form and matter, which I think is more naiive: In a

Re: : [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list, The word ‘reality’, which in the concept of the thing sounds other than the word ‘existence’ in the concept of the predicate, is of no avail in meeting this objection. For if all positing (no matter what it may be that is posited) is entitled reality, the thing with all its

Re: : [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, Helmut, List: The nearly 40 different types of "form" that Peirce cataloged in CP 6.360-361 (from Baldwin's *Dictionary*, 1902) highlight the importance of being clear about *what we mean* by "Form" when we talk about it; likewise "Matter." In NEM 4:292-300 (c. 1903?), Peirce stated the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Awbrey
On a related note ... That Aristotling Town = The man’s reputation for dualing exceeds him. It’s a mode more the eyebeam of the beholden. Western wayfarers will claim him their founder, But they founder on the way his meta*physick Straddles the narrow straits of their

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear All, I wonder why Peirce associated the categories like that. To me it rather seems like matter would be 1ns, form 2ns, and entelechy 3ns. That is because I cannot see more than one mode in matter, but 2 in form: Reason for it, and aim (telos) of it. Aristotle said, that form consists of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Jerry Rhee
Dear list, As regards the 200 emails, It is obvious why we don’t appreciate that. It is not so obvious that we appreciate *Gorgias* and Peirce’s sense of humor for a similar reason. On the topic of Discovering the American Aristotle, Peirce also said *of it*, remember: Aristotle was

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Excellent piece. And excellent quote which I think I had better paste in. I created the triad Reality Ethics Aesthetics as a suggested post-Peirce basis for philosophy. It fits in with previous quotes in this thread and explicitly so with the following: “Esthetics and logic seem at first blush to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Ben Novak
Dear All: A quarter of a century ago (December 1993), several of the subjects of this discussion thread (either explicit, implied, or merely mentioned) were rather eloquently addressed in an article in *First Things*, "Discovering the American Aristotle," by Edward T. Oakes:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks Jon. That is a direct confirmation of the rather over the top dispatch of Aristotle in the quote I sent. My own work maintained initially that Aristotle's ethics were responsible for the ethical problems of our first two millennia and I laid that at the feet of his reliance on virtues which

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Jon, Excellent quote; thanks, Jon. I had not seen (recalled?) it before, and it offers another example of Peirce's universal categories, plus is the clearest statement I have seen yet of Peirce's definition of nominalism v realism. Mike

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
List: As the chief culprit for the recent glut of messages--apparently I was the sender of more than one-third of the 200+ over the first 11 days of February--I offer my sincere apology, and my promise to try to temper my enthusiasm for the current discussion topics, or at least "pace myself"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Yes, I had that in mind in sending the CP quote and it seems relevant to recent discussions. Then there is this: "IN an article published in The Monist for January 1891, I endeavored to show what ideas ought to form the warp of a system of philosophy, and particularly emphasised that of absolute

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Stephen - Peirce was 'Aristotelian' in issues about Matter and Form; and the primacy of sensate data in our experience - and the nature of Reality vs the individual Existence. But - Aristotle's evolution theory was - as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aristotle and Peirce

2018-02-12 Thread Ben Novak
Dear Stephen: As I have read, Peirce desired nothing more than to accede to the title of "Second Aristotle" From the first paragraph of first volume of CP: "[I intend] to make a philosophy like that of Aristotle, that is to say, to outline a theory so comprehensive that, for a long time to