[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-01-26 Thread Bernard Morand
of interpretants qua interpreted signs, that is to say the dynamic interpretant. Let us see if the examination of the rest of the text will confirm or not this first sight impression. Bernard __ Bernard Morand Département Informatique

[peirce-l] Re: NEW ELEMENTS: So what is it all about?

2006-02-01 Thread Bernard Morand
felt that the author had got second hand documentation without being directly involved with the milieu he was reporting (evidently Small World was exactly the other way). But this was just an impression. Bernard From: Bernard Morand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

[peirce-l] Re: Introduction

2006-02-11 Thread Bernard Morand
Darrel, Ben, Gary and List, I was away from my home and my computer for a few days and I see when coming back that you are making interesting comments out of Zero and Nothing. Some of you know perhaps that in French the word rien (nothing) can be used to mean also a little thing. For

[peirce-l] Re: Introduction

2006-02-11 Thread Bernard Morand
Claudio Guerri a ¨crit : Bernard and List, in this sense there are an agreement in different languages, not only in French... In Italian: non ti sei fatto propio niente referring to the grazed knee anche un nientino lo fa ridere In Spanish: no te hicistes nada de nada even if it is

[peirce-l] Re: naming definite individuals

2006-03-20 Thread Bernard Morand
Ben, Jim and list, My understanding of the problem opened by Peirce's use of subindices or hyposemes seems to be quite different from your's. So I try to give my idea of it below, being accepted that I think this not to be secondary problem in Peirce's sign theory because he also used the same

[peirce-l] Re: naming definite individuals

2006-03-20 Thread Bernard Morand
Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen a ¨crit : Dear list,   Just now I was thinking about some passages of Peirce. About some small sentences which for me appeared to be quite important somehow. For me they are now, whatever  the answers to my questions I have to ask here now. The questions

[peirce-l] Re: naming definite individuals

2006-03-20 Thread Bernard Morand
Benjamin Udell a crit: Bernard, Jim, list, I got too excited, I'm not at all sure that "subindex" can be equated with "degenerate index." Best, Ben == Ben, I was ready to write you that if a "degenerate index" makes sense because it signifies degenerate

[peirce-l] Re: R: Re: naming definite individuals

2006-03-22 Thread Bernard Morand
Jim Piat wrote: Dear Bernard, Just lost to cyberspace a response I had composed, but I'll try to reconstruct it quickly.Basically I think I agree with both your clinical and semiotic analysis above. I did not mean to suggest that feelings were other than qualites best connoted by

[peirce-l] Re: Nonagon Revisited [...from naming definite individuals]

2006-04-01 Thread Bernard Morand
Claudio, you wrote in part : Claudio to Frances and List, [] BUT... I am not trying to improve Peirce's pragmatism, this was the best a learned in my life, but since I am not a philosopher but a designer, my interest is in a different direction. I am trying to construct a tool, and as I

[peirce-l] Knowledge Management

2006-04-03 Thread Bernard Morand
List, Some time ago there was a discussion on the list about what is meant by Knowledge Management. The following call for papers gives a fair account of what is meant by the term in an academic context. (ECAI is the European Conference on Artificial Intelligence) Regards Bernard

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-08 Thread Bernard Morand
From the own hand of the inventor ( MS 339, August 7th 1904) : B Morand --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-10 Thread Bernard Morand
Benjamin Udell wrote : I had already produced the second table (Fig. 3) when you sent the graphic of Peirce's own table. It's really just Joe's table, re-produced asan HTML table, and with the second column put into "standard" order (a, ab, abc instead of a, ba, cba)

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-14 Thread Bernard Morand
Joe and list, I agree with the idea of being very cautious with the 10 trichotomies classification. You are right I think in recalling that it was work in progress for Peirce. I would be very interested too in reading the material you are refering to below if you can make it available to the

[peirce-l] Re: Sinsign, Legisign, Qualisign

2006-06-14 Thread Bernard Morand
Thanks very much for the quote Joe. The last sentence puzzles me. Will have to think about it: seems like Peirce considered lately that he had earlier put erroneously some considerations related to the (dynamic) interpretant into his characterizations of the relation of the object to the

[peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)

2006-06-20 Thread Bernard Morand
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: the classification is obtained in a deductive the way, but the sequence order is arbitrary. let us say I want to classify a group of people according to 2 divisions: - men / women (1st division) - under age / adult (2nd division) that's 4 classes, OK? if I

[peirce-l] Re: Under the Peirce's text...

2006-06-24 Thread Bernard Morand
robert marty a ¨crit : ...the lattice of the ten classes of signs : http://www.univ-perp.fr/see/rch/lts/marty/lattices/Lattice-CP.rtf Please consider that this argumentation is a partial response to several questions recently discussed. I cannot react with the necessary quickness at the time

[peirce-l] Re: A sign as First or third...

2006-06-24 Thread Bernard Morand
Claudio, Jim and others I have a little game to suggest to everybody on the list who has some time to devote to it. Fortunately, it is related to a question of wines. In French language we have a phrase Appellation d'Origine Controlee (A.O.C.) to characterize at the same time the name, the

[peirce-l] Re: First, second, third, etc.

2006-06-25 Thread Bernard Morand
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: Here is an article that I scanned some time ago, it was written by Andre de Tienne: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/semiotic/Peirce_s_semiotic_monism.pdf the first page is missing, but I think than anyone interested in signs and in triadic relations should

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-09-03 Thread Bernard Morand
: the recognition of the speech acts of assertion, statement making, etc., is a theoretical understanding of that pre-theoretical practice in daily life and in science as well. It is a recognition of the fundamental role of trust. Joe Ransdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Bernard

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-09-03 Thread Bernard Morand
in daily life and in science as well. It is a recognition of the fundamental role of trust. - Original Message From: Bernard Morand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peirce Discussion Forum peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu Sent: Friday, September 1, 2006 5:48:29 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re

[peirce-l] Re: The composite photograph metaphor

2006-09-04 Thread Bernard Morand
Ben, Just one word about a small part of your response (I am now lacking time for a much detailed response). You wrote: I had said that your scenario implies that a mind gets object-acquaintance from a sign (the previous interpretant) to that same mind about the object. So you contradicted