Bosnia 3

1994-04-14 Thread PHILLPS
Pen-ners (cont'd) The next point that should be made is, even if we should ignore international treaties and decide to break up Yugoslavia on ethnic grounds, what should be the borders? The borders of the republics (states) of Yugoslavia post 1945 were established by Tito *without respect to e

Bosnia

1994-04-14 Thread PHILLPS
Pen-ners Since my response to Nathan elicitated not only a considerable response, and several requests for elaboration, but also unsolicited responses for additional information and at response to a private communication that was not posted to this network, I am goaded (prompted, flattered) to r

Re: Do We Care?

1994-04-14 Thread Anthony D'Costa
Quite the contrary. So far the US blunderings have always favored Pakistan, and implicitly the Moslem Kashmiris. And look what happened to the Pundits, the Hindu Kashmiris? They have been made refugees in their own homeland. The US is primarily interested in pushing for the NPT hence the re

IBM

1994-04-14 Thread D Shniad
R COMPARATIVE DISADVANTAGE GLENDALE -- International Business Machines Corp., as part of its goal to cut over 30,000 jobs this year, laid off 800 New York workers...from its Large Scale Computing Division. IBM announced last July that it would trim its worforce from 256,000 to 225,000 by 199

Re: China and Russia

1994-04-14 Thread Paul Bowles
The TVE sector now employs over 100 million in China and the data from the Statistical Yearbook of China indicate that TVEs now account for approx 38% of Gross Value of Industrial Output and 25% of exports. Within the TVE sector, the collectively owned TVEs account for 80% of GVIO and approx 6

Re: Futurework messages

1994-04-14 Thread Steve . Keen
Dear Sally, As someone who has no immediate interest in the subject, but an interest nonetheless, I have been simply extracting these pieces from my VAX email system and archiving them for later perusal. Thank you for posting them! Cheers, Steve Keen

Re: Do We Care?

1994-04-14 Thread Tavis Barr
On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Anthony D'Costa wrote: > Tavis Barr wants to know if more can be known about Kashmir. Of course > it can. All you have to do is read the Indian publications. The larger > issue is do you want to internationalize the Kashmir issue without > considering the ramification

Re: fed policies

1994-04-14 Thread Michael Lichter
I don't think the big issue these days is that of the conflict between industrial and banking capital (as Doug Henwood points out). Instead, it's more of a matter of what's good for the U.S. economy versus what's good for the world profitability of capitalist enterprises.

Bosnia

1994-04-14 Thread FAC_BROSSER
(3 to 4 pages) Having flamed Paul Phillips in a recent message I would like to add some more moderate comments. I do think, despite my disagreements with him, that his remarks were very well- informed and should be thought about seriously. 1) I agree that we must be cautious as progressive

Re: Economists for a California Single-Payer Plan?

1994-04-14 Thread GSKILLMAN
Elaine--Following is a forwarded message. It must have been sent to me by mistake. Gil --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Wed, 06 Apr 1994 14:08:26 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sally Lerner) Subject:Re: Economists for a California Single-Payer Plan?

China and Russia

1994-04-14 Thread FAC_BROSSER
Response to Joseph Medley: The source was a recent article in that capitalist rag, _The Economist_, I do not offhand have the exact date. It only compared the total growth rates of the identified three categories, central state owned, fully private, and TVE's. I note that you do not disagr

Political importance of the LTV

1994-04-14 Thread Paul Cockshott
I among others have been lambasted for hogging net time to debate the apparently esoteric question of the labour theory of value. I do not think that it is politically esoteric at all. Let me try and explain how Allin and I came to be posting this stuff. 1) Over the last 5 years or so he and I h

Re: fed policies

1994-04-14 Thread Jim Devine
I don't think the big issue these days is that of the conflict between industrial and banking capital (as Doug Henwood points out). Instead, it's more of a matter of what's good for the U.S. economy versus what's good for the world profitability of capitalist enterprises. in pen-l solidarity, J

RE: Chinese Capitalism?

1994-04-14 Thread Jim Devine
Mark Selden is absolutely correct to reject the "aha! market ergo capitalism" view (which Marx also rejected, but that's a different point). Marketization doesn't make capitalism, while statization doesn't make socialism (else ancient Egypt was socialist). into "state capitalism" of the sort tha

Re: free speech

1994-04-14 Thread Alan G. Isaac
On Thu, 14 Apr 1994 09:43:26 -0700 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Yelling "fire!" in a crowded theather as unprotected speech >was justified by the "clear and present danger" rule. >Herb Gutman taught me in 1955 that free speech doesn't mean >much unless there IS "clear and present danger" -- politica

Re: Futurework messages

1994-04-14 Thread Eugene Coyle
Thanks to Sally Lerner for the Futurework postings. I hope we can all discuss this -- maybe relevance and theory can satisfy everybody.

free speech

1994-04-14 Thread cns
Yelling "fire!" in a crowded theather as unprotected speech was justified by the "clear and present danger" rule. Herb Gutman taught me in 1955 that free speech doesn't mean much unless there IS "clear and present danger" -- politically speaking. I later learned in life that the US doesn't ne

Re: Do We Care?

1994-04-14 Thread Anthony D'Costa
Tavis Barr wants to know if more can be known about Kashmir. Of course it can. All you have to do is read the Indian publications. The larger issue is do you want to internationalize the Kashmir issue without considering the ramifications of it for the different communities in the country?

Re: Pen-L on Internet

1994-04-14 Thread MAYHEW
FROM: MAYHEW " ANNE " SMC This is a response to Sally Lerner and a request to all others: 1) Sally, would you resend the long messages about the conference on education and income distribution in Canada. That is, send it to me as I inadvertently wiped it out in the process of trying to

REPLY TO: Re: fed policies

1994-04-14 Thread R.DODD
Dear Wagman, One, the recovery does not appear to have run its course -- period. Two, lower interest rates are the only policy variable that can possible be credited with spurring renewed growth. While short-term rates had been declining for some time -- they did not hit 3% until the end of 1

Re: Russia and China

1994-04-14 Thread Joseph Medley
Barkley Rosser writes: I note that the most dynamic sector in the Chinese economy >recently has been Town and Village Enterprises (TVE's) which >are technically owned by local units of government but which >behave in vigorously market-oriented ways. The old centralized >command sector utterl

Re: fed policies

1994-04-14 Thread Doug Henwood
A couple of brief comments on Paul's posting. 1) Classic populist critiques of the Fed overestimate the central bank's independence and underestimate the degree to which it follows the credit markets. Bond ghouls have been baying for a tighter policy for some time before AG finally acted on Fe

Re: Competition with a fabulous prize

1994-04-14 Thread Walter Daum
OK, I'll try your puzzle. This would be the 2nd Norwegian sentence I've ever seen, after your Marx quotation! I think that Anglo-American cultural imperialists should write in Norwegian on pen-l.! Not sure about the second word, but the rest seems fairly obvious. Keeping my fingers crossed, Wal

Chinese vs. Russian state enterprises

1994-04-14 Thread Tom . Weisskopf
Jim Devine recently conveyed the gist of an interesting argument by Wei Li contrasting the behavior of Chinese and Russian enterprises under different strategies of price decontrol: the Chinese decontrolled only at the margins (and kept planned orders and prices on the bulk of productive activity)

RE: Chinese Capitalism?

1994-04-14 Thread mark selden
These comments address issues of China and capitalism in response to interesting posts by Michael, Barkley and Joseph. As Barkley noted, the most dynamic sector of the Chinese economy is the township and village enterprises (TVEs) which in a matter of a decade have not only come to dominate the r

Competition with a fabulous prize

1994-04-14 Thread Trond Andresen
> What about of write in spanish? Jeg synes dere ango-amerikanske kulturimperialister skulle skrive paa norsk paa pen-l! :-) :-) Competition with a prize: I offer to host the first penner who decodes the above, if he/she wants to visit Trondheim (but Scandinavian penners are

Re: WE CAN DO BETTER (correction)

1994-04-14 Thread Markus Sovala
Date sent: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 04:54:43 -0700 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M+ de Lourdes Mendicuti) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: WE CAN DO BETTER (correction) > > > > > I have just been reviewing the pen-l list. I see many na

Re: WE CAN DO BETTER (correction)

1994-04-14 Thread Mª de Lourdes Mendicuti
> > > > > I have just been reviewing the pen-l list. I see many names who have never > > posted. I see people from all over the world. > > > > I read about horrific things occuring around us. > > > > Most of us would like to see the left given a bigger voice in so far as > > economics and ec

Re: WE CAN DO BETTER

1994-04-14 Thread Mª de Lourdes Mendicuti
> > I have just been reviewing the pen-l list. I see many names who have never > posted. I see people from all over the world. > > I read about horrific things occuring around us. > > Most of us would like to see the left given a bigger voice in so far as > economics and economic affairs are

i need some anecdotal evidence

1994-04-14 Thread susan feiner
Dear Femeconers and Penners: most of you know by now that i am writing two proposals for fipse (fund for the improvement of post secondary ed). one is on mentoring for women phd candidates. this is going well. i have 14 letters of intent from potential mentors and letters from grad. students at

Re: Stigler & 93% LTV

1994-04-14 Thread Neri Salvadori
Dear Ajit, the following from Ch. 1 of the book by Kurz and myself can be useful to you. While Smith had a clear understanding of the tendency for the rate of profits to uniformity in competitive conditions, he had failed to provide a consistent and logically sound solution to the problem of ho

MTV--- a reply to Hugo and Ajit

1994-04-14 Thread Michael Lebowitz
A brief reply to the comments of Hugo Radice and Ajit Sinha. I'm not certain if they had seen my response to Jim Devine on the question of the equality *by definition* of total abstract labour and total concrete labour. (I think I may be having the same problem that Ajit complained about--- my

Re: Bosnia and the U.S. Left

1994-04-14 Thread odin
On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Walter Daum wrote: > Cross-posted from pen-l, where Ajit Sinha's message first appeared. > > To Ajit Sinha: > > The problem is, you assume that the oppressed groups are monolithic and that > "listening carefully" to what they say will provide one answer. > [...] > > Wh

From the Onion Fields (struggle)

1994-04-14 Thread Sam Lanfranco
I intended to post the following to PEN-L as an example of email activism. I think I forgot, but it is short so here it is (again?) - Sam Lanfranco [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Lucas Rosenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: URGENT Justic