[PEN-L:2402] Re: Vandana Shiva

1996-01-17 Thread Doug Henwood
At 5:53 PM 1/17/96, John William Hull wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> I find them to be influential, in pure or diluted form, in anti-development >> NGO circles and among funders. Though deep ecology and ecofeminism are >> reported to be at odds - DE being seen as macho (liv

[PEN-L:2401] Re PEN-L:2359->The V-word (PEN-L 2351)

1996-01-17 Thread Alan Freeman
Thanks for Mike Meeropol's contribution [PEN-L 2359;repeated at end] Personally, I am not opposed to exploring what value theory would look like if there were sources of value other than human labour. This may seem heretical but my reasons are that I think if this is done, we will discover what a

[PEN-L:2400] Re: pen-l and censorship

1996-01-17 Thread Blair Sandler
At 10:09 AM 1/17/96, Michael Perelman wrote: >Here are my thoughts on censorship: > >I do not believe that free speech should be censored when that speech occurs >in the public domain, such as publishing in books or broadcasting. I do not >regard pen-l as the public domain. Instead, pen-l is a s

[PEN-L:2399] Re: A new Threat on the Horizen -Post Tenure Review

1996-01-17 Thread Blair Sandler
At 1:26 PM 1/17/96, Rodney Coates wrote: >I thought this would be of interest to pen-l. > >Original message >Just when you thought it was safe to come into the office (you know >just after you've been granted tenure) bureaucratic specialists

[PEN-L:2398] Re: Vandana Shiva

1996-01-17 Thread John William Hull
On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Doug Henwood wrote: > I find them to be influential, in pure or diluted form, in anti-development > NGO circles and among funders. Though deep ecology and ecofeminism are > reported to be at odds - DE being seen as macho (living proof: Dave > Foreman) - Shiva has been embrace

[PEN-L:2397] Re: Australian trade unions

1996-01-17 Thread bill mitchell
Peter came back with this: > >Rather than debate Bill point by point on PEN-L and bore the pants off >people I'll take up the issue directly with Bill if I get the time. > it is always so easy to say "oh, i won't debate this openly b/c i will bore people" especially after you have called a person

[PEN-L:2396] A new Threat on the Horizen -Post Tenure Review

1996-01-17 Thread Rodney Coates
I thought this would be of interest to pen-l. Original message Just when you thought it was safe to come into the office (you know just after you've been granted tenure) bureaucratic specialists (b.s'ers for short) find a way to screw up you

[PEN-L:2395] Re: How not to quote Marx

1996-01-17 Thread Gilbert Skillman
I promised at the outset that I wasn't going to engage Jim Devine in another long PEN-L debate, and I'm sticking to that promise, so I won't address Jim's recent posts anent my ASSA paper point by point. I'll just offer the following comments and refer those interested in what the paper reall

[PEN-L:2394] Re: The V-word

1996-01-17 Thread Blair Sandler
At 10:02 AM 1/17/96, James Devine wrote: >I think the Marxian "meta-economic vision" or "problematic" or >whatever you want to call it almost automatically implies that the >concept of "socially necessary abstract labor time" (i.e., value) >is central to the political economy, helping us to addre

[PEN-L:2393] Re: Le Monde Diplomatique article on French strikes

1996-01-17 Thread bill mitchell
> > What is the significance of this extraordinary revolt? >It is the first collective rebellion, on a national level, >against neo-liberalism. It is epoch-making. Beginning in mid- >November as an almost corporatist reaction of the public >service to the planned reform of the social security

[PEN-L:2392] Re: Vandana Shiva

1996-01-17 Thread Doug Henwood
At 10:44 AM 1/17/96, John William Hull wrote: >Unlike Henwood, however, I'm not so sure how seriously to take >all the Shiva-esque hoopla. I'm not at all convinced that many >of her sort of ideas of anti-scientific rural romanticism have much >influence in practical political circles. I see it

[PEN-L:2391] Re: Vandana Shiva

1996-01-17 Thread John William Hull
On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Colin Danby wrote: > > Henwood's reply ("Vandana Shiva Again"), which simply repeated his prior > assertions at a heightened level of rudeness, is a good example of the kind > of arrogant insularity that our last post took exception to. I don't see Henwood's questioning of

[PEN-L:2390] pen-l and censorship

1996-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Here are my thoughts on censorship: I do not believe that free speech should be censored when that speech occurs in the public domain, such as publishing in books or broadcasting. I do not regard pen-l as the public domain. Instead, pen-l is a space created for people to meet together to learn

[PEN-L:2389] Re: The V-word

1996-01-17 Thread James Devine
Responding to Alan Freeman, and paraphrasing Richard Nixon, I want to make one thing perfectly clear: just because I find the _phrase_ "theory of value" to be muddled in the literature and in academic discussion, it doesn't mean that I reject the concept and usefulness of value or theories of

[PEN-L:2388] URGENT UPDATE FROM YALE GESO: Yale 'Trials & TA Lockout

1996-01-17 Thread D Shniad
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: URGENT UPDATE FROM YALE GESO: Yale 'Trials & TA Lockout' > > January 13, 1996 > > Dear Friends: > > Here's the latest on the Yale strike: > > This past Wednesday, 138 people were arrested for blocking the street in > front of the Yal

[PEN-L:2387] Le Monde Diplomatique article on French strikes

1996-01-17 Thread D Shniad
Le Monde diplomatique: The French Spark by IGNACIO RAMONET Previously published in El Pais, December 1995 'Society does not exist' affirmed Margaret Thatcher, encouraged by the ultra-liberals of Europe, from both left and right. In the throes of the biggest social confron

[PEN-L:2386] E;G.E.:Urgent Action-HR Worker Threatened, Jan 16 (fwd)

1996-01-17 Thread D Shniad
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:45:47 -0800 > From: Global Exchange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Global Exch Urgent Action-Rocio Culebro Threatened > > January 16, 1996 > > REQUEST FOR URGENT ACTION. > > ROCIO CULEBRO, TECHNICAL SECRETARY OF THE > NATIONAL NETWORK OF CIVI

[PEN-L:2385] Re: free speech

1996-01-17 Thread A. S. Fatemi
On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, James Devine wrote: > On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, Doug Henwood wrote:> Yes yes yes! Thank you Michael. > And not only does he keep the list going, he's somehow kept us free of > infection by libertarians!< > > > A. S. Fatemi responds >>I DISAGREE WITH DOUG BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEV

[PEN-L:2384] Re: "Marty" LAMAassoc@aol.com

1996-01-17 Thread LAMAassoc
My friend, being told that I am out of your leftish league has made my morning.

[PEN-L:2383] Re: Australian trade unions

1996-01-17 Thread Peter Colley / Cathie Sherrington
It's good to hear Bill state that he is supportive of trade unions in public forums. I find PEN-L to be quite a public forum but perhaps that's my miconception. Rather than debate Bill point by point on PEN-L and bore the pants off people I'll take up the issue directly with Bill if I get the ti