[PEN-L:3001] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread bill mitchell
>Michael P asked >> >> Let me propose the following fantasy. Suppose that Clinton wins along with >> a compliant congress. Someone transplants a clone of Gene Deb's backbone >> and courage into Clinton. He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for >> ways to turn the country around without c

[PEN-L:3000] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Ellen Dannin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Here's a few thoughts. Legislatively overturn S.Ct. cases which say that corporations are persons entitled to 14th amendment protections. Require that all corporation enabling laws require that corporations operate in the public interest. Then define the public interest as something more th

[PEN-L:2999] Re: The German Question

1996-02-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Both Marin and Blair have responded to my recent questions that we should look to overthrowing rather than reforming capitalism. Yes, I agree that we should look toward building socialism. What sort of political/economic strategies does that imply? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department Calif

[PEN-L:2998] The German Question

1996-02-14 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
Michael Perelman recently noted that Germany used to be the model for the progressive wing of the Clinton administration but that Germany is now moving rightward in its social and economic policies. He wanted to know what mistakes Germany made and whether an alternative strategy could have helped

[PEN-L:2997] Re: Anthony Giddens

1996-02-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
We're not making progress. In an earlier post I explained that although structure is realized in human interactions, something almost no one disputes, it doesn't follow that it doesn't have an existence anda reality that is irreducible to human interactions. The remarks below suggest that your i

[PEN-L:2996] Call for solidarity

1996-02-14 Thread D Shniad
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ENVIRONMENT IN LATIN AMERICA NETWORK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Tepoztlan An already intense situation of concern to those interested human rights and economic globalization has further develo

[PEN-L:2995] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Blair Sandler
At 1:37 PM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: >> >> At 8:20 AM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: >> >> > He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for >> >ways to turn the country around without creating a capital strike. >> >> Can't be done, can it? >> >> Doug > >Doug, I tend to agree with you. Th

[PEN-L:2994] Re: labor-power as a commodity (continued)

1996-02-14 Thread Gilbert Skillman
A quick comment on the discussion between Jim and Justin: Jim writes: > So I said> By the "analytical structure of Marxist economics," I > presume that you mean that of CAPITAL, in which LP is clearly a > commodity. But as Mike Lebowitz points out in his BEYOND CAPITAL, > that book reflects simp

[PEN-L:2993] Re: "The Labor Market Is Unlike Any Other"

1996-02-14 Thread Gilbert Skillman
Peter writes: > Let me quote one passage which struck me as liable to > be of interest to many of you: > > In all of the countries that [Blanchflower and > Oswald] studied (United States, Great Britain, > Germany, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, > Switzerland, No

[PEN-L:2992] Re: manufacturing vs. services

1996-02-14 Thread Blair Sandler
At 2:59 AM 2/14/96, Terrence Mc Donough wrote: >Blair writes: >> Here's a question: how do you consider the effect on value if the price of >> a commodity doesn't change but greater attractiveness makes total revenue >> greater through greater quantity demanded? >> >> I was going to say that the

[PEN-L:2991] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Mike Meeropol
On the issue of capital strike world wide inflation can make capital _flight_ unlikely. As for a capital strike, -- remember, lots of LABOR strikes get "broken" --- there are plenty of candidates for "capitalist scabs" to do investing if the returns are right -- and there's always good old s

[PEN-L:2990] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Mike Meeropol
Michael Perelman wrote: > > I get the uneasy feeling that neo-liberalism will continue unabated until > we hit the wall with a global underconsumption crash. It seems that no > single country has the wherewithall to withstand it now. > > Let me propose the following fantasy. Suppose that Clin

[PEN-L:2989] Re: Rights Language

1996-02-14 Thread HANLY
Recently Leo Casey wrote: 2. There is little question, I think, but that Hobbes is in the natural law tradition. One need not cite C B MacPherson on this count, as _The Political Theory of Possessive Individualism_ is weak in a number of respects. (I know the topic well, as I studied under him.

[PEN-L:2988] Re:Re: gringocentrism

1996-02-14 Thread JDevine
I wrote: >Q: why did so many voters vote for Buchanan? >A: They saw the movie "Babe" and decided that pigs aren't all >bad. bill mitchell comments that>> i cannot comment on the americo-centric observations except to say that the relgious right seems to be becoming a more insidious force than t

[PEN-L:2987] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Doug Henwood
At 1:37 PM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: >> >> At 8:20 AM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: >> >> > He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for >> >ways to turn the country around without creating a capital strike. >> >> Can't be done, can it? >> >> Doug > >Doug, I tend to agree with you. T

[PEN-L:2986] Re: Rights Language

1996-02-14 Thread LeoCasey
1. First, could someone please explain what the political import is of this debate over whether or not labor(power) is a commodity? I don't see the political implications of the differences, at least as they have been expounded to this point. BTW, do you know that the New York State Constitution,

[PEN-L:2985] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Michael Perelman
> > At 8:20 AM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: > > > He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for > >ways to turn the country around without creating a capital strike. > > Can't be done, can it? > > Doug Doug, I tend to agree with you. That is why I tried to start the discussion. I would

[PEN-L:2984] urgent action (fwd) -- Workers attacked in maquilas

1996-02-14 Thread D Shniad
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 14 09:06 PST 1996 > Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:07:06 -0500 (EST) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Task Force on Central America BC) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: urgent action > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], >

[PEN-L:2983] Re: Anthony Giddens

1996-02-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
Terry writes, > Even if all social phenomena are composed of a network of individual > relationships, this does not mean that the dynamics of social > phenomena can be explained by analyzing the constituent > relationships. Nor is this a claim that structure is "out there > beyond

[PEN-L:2982] Theater of the Oppressed workshop NYC 2/23-24

1996-02-14 Thread Bill Koehnlein
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[PEN-L:2981] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread D Shniad
The BBC series was called "A Very British Coup." Fine stuff. Sid Shniad > > Michael Perelman wrote: > > > Let me propose the following fantasy. Suppose that Clinton wins along with > > a compliant congress. Someone transplants a clone of Gene Deb's backbone > > and courage into Clinton. He

[PEN-L:2980] Re: Babe again

1996-02-14 Thread bill mitchell
Terry advises >Eat the Rich. Q: Are they vegetables or other non-meat derivatives? Kind regards bill ps. i forget to mention the follow up to all my movies on farm yard animals will be one on darl the fish who lives in the farm dam and evades and teases the anglers who insist on getting satisf

[PEN-L:2979] Re: Falling wages?

1996-02-14 Thread Doug Henwood
At 9:37 AM 2/14/96, Peter.Dorman wrote: >Doug, you quoted me out of context! The utter nonsense you refer to is RZ >Lawrence's argument, not mine. In the following sentence I make the same >point you do, albeit in muted academeze. > >Peter Dorman Sorry Peter. Sorry sorry sorry. A thousand apol

[PEN-L:2978] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Doug Henwood
At 8:20 AM 2/14/96, Michael Perelman wrote: > He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for >ways to turn the country around without creating a capital strike. Can't be done, can it? Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice +1-2

[PEN-L:2977] Re: "The Labor Market Is Unlike Any Other"

1996-02-14 Thread Doug Henwood
At 8:52 PM 2/13/96, Robert Peter Burns wrote: >In all of the countries that [Blanchflower and >Oswald] studied (United States, Great Britain, >Germany, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, >Switzerland, Norway, Canada, and South Korea), >they found an inve

[PEN-L:2976] reality

1996-02-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I posed my fantasy to try to provoke a discussion about the powers of neo-liberalism. I see the powers of government in decline relative to that of the corporations and the financial markets -- assuming that the government were to take a line distinguishable from capital. I was hoping to get som

[PEN-L:2975] PERES: "WE SCREWED PALESTINIANS...NEVER A PALESTINIAN STATE!" - MER

1996-02-14 Thread SHAWGI TELL
FYI Shawgi Tell University at Buffalo Graduate School of Education [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:31:52 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PERES: "WE SCREWED PALESTINIANS...NEVER A PALESTINIAN STATE!" - MER M I

[PEN-L:2974] Re: Anthony Giddens

1996-02-14 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Eric writes > I'm not sure the last statement is true (that is, "only in > neoclassical theory . . ") > > For instance, Veblen apparently argues that only agents act > but their actions are guided by things like norms, custom, > etc.. Perhaps Terry is assuming that "institutionalism" = > what

[PEN-L:2973] Re: fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread glevy
Michael Perelman wrote: > Let me propose the following fantasy. Suppose that Clinton wins along with > a compliant congress. Someone transplants a clone of Gene Deb's backbone > and courage into Clinton. He then comes to pen-l and asks for advise for > ways to turn the country around without c

[PEN-L:2972] Re: Contacts for Living Wage / Minimum Wage Campaigns in US?

1996-02-14 Thread R. Anders Schneiderman
Ron, Thanks for the info. Do you happen to have email addresses for any of these folks? Thanks, anders >Anders, > >I don't know how many of these guys have Web pages and you may >already know about these groups but as far as I know: The Industrial >Areas Foundation (IAF) (based in Chic

[PEN-L:2971] Re: Falling wages?

1996-02-14 Thread Peter.Dorman
Doug, you quoted me out of context! The utter nonsense you refer to is RZ Lawrence's argument, not mine. In the following sentence I make the same point you do, albeit in muted academeze. Peter Dorman

[PEN-L:2970] re: "Just Get a Job"

1996-02-14 Thread Alan Cibils
I just realized to my utter embarassment that a personal response went out to the entire list. Please disregard and excuse. Alan

[PEN-L:2969] re: "Just Get a Job"

1996-02-14 Thread Alan Cibils
Para mi se llama "just" porque es una parabola sobre el mercado. Si el desempleo es del 7 por ciento, implica que hay gente para la cual no existe trabajo en el mercado, por ende simplemente decirles que se consigan un trabajo no es realista Que se yo... Alan

[PEN-L:2968] labor-power as a commodity (continued)

1996-02-14 Thread JDevine
Justin Schwartz gave me permission to post the following private discussion between us. I have reproduced it in chronological order, with minor editing and one comment added to my first contribution. At the end, I have added my newest comment. On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 I wrote concerning the status

[PEN-L:2967] re: "Just Get a Job"

1996-02-14 Thread mfarmelo
Gracias Lo lei una vez y no estoy segura si entiendo el porque se llama "Just Get a Job" m.

[PEN-L:2966] Re: Anthony Giddens

1996-02-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
Justin Schwartz writes, > Eric says that the duality of structurea nda gency is unproductive when we > realize that we cannot do without either pole. I don't think this is what I said. My understanding of Giddens is that he is saying that structure expresses itself through agency. That is, it is

[PEN-L:2965] Re: Anthony Giddens

1996-02-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
Terry McDonough wrote, > Institutionalists see no conflict between agency and structure > precisely because it is the institutions who are the agents of > activity in institutionalist theory. In Marxism the agents are the > classes. It is only in neoclassical theory that the

[PEN-L:2964] fantasy

1996-02-14 Thread Michael Perelman
I get the uneasy feeling that neo-liberalism will continue unabated until we hit the wall with a global underconsumption crash. It seems that no single country has the wherewithall to withstand it now. Let me propose the following fantasy. Suppose that Clinton wins along with a compliant congr

[PEN-L:2963] Re: Babe again

1996-02-14 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Jim D. writes. > Q: why did so many voters vote for Buchanan? > > A: They saw the movie "Babe" and decided that pigs aren't all > bad. > Anybody remember the sixties slogan: Today's pig is tomorrow's pork chop. While not politica

[PEN-L:2962] Re: "The Labor Market Is Unlike Any Other"

1996-02-14 Thread glevy
Robert Peter Burns wrote: > Let me quote one passage which struck me as liable to > be of interest to many of you: > > In all of the countries that [Blanchflower and > Oswald] studied (United States, Great Britain, > Germany, Austria, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, > Switz

[PEN-L:2961] Re:Babe

1996-02-14 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Pig farmers in Ireland called for a boycott of the movie. Terry McDonough

[PEN-L:2960] Re: manufacturing vs. services

1996-02-14 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Blair writes: > Here's a question: how do you consider the effect on value if the price of > a commodity doesn't change but greater attractiveness makes total revenue > greater through greater quantity demanded? > > I was going to say that the name value increases the value of a movie, and > gene