I hate to display my extreme ignorance in this matter, but, what IS
Libertarianism? (this is not a trick question, I really don't know) Is there
a volume or volumes I could read to get an idea of Libertarian positions?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear friends,
Adolfo O. has come up with a number of quotes (a few way out of historical
context) from Marx, Lenin, Comintern Cong., etc. claiming to justify his
maoist doctrine of the workers subordinating their struggles to the
national capitalist interests.
But I don't think Lenin,when
Dear Neil.
Eould you please identify yourself more fully.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] means nothing.
Edwin Dickens
First on Jim Craven's apologies: Don't bend over backwards, Jim. I
enjoyed your tirade immensely. Right on!
Secondly: It should be a consolation that libertarianism f.inst. in
Europe is a non-significant phenomenon (does it have any punch ANYWHERE
outside the U.S.?). Market liberalism, yes, but
From Jo'burg it was good to see Sid's post on this issue.
Just spent yesterday in our new Constitutional Court trying to help write
out corporate fundamental rights from the Bill of Rights; Ralph Nader has
been exceptionally helpful in putting this onto the agenda here, pointing
out the many
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When capitalist economies go into crises, we have not only
a problem of idle hands and unmet needs -- by any reasonable definition,
a pretty inefficient situation. We also have a problem of unmet needs
and surplus goods. Take the late 80s condo bust
From another list
Doug
The [London] Guardian July 11 1996
ORWELL OFFERED WRITERS' BLACKLIST TO ANTI-SOVIET PROPAGANDA
UNIT
Richard Norton-Taylor and Seumas Milne
GEORGE ORWELL, the socialist author, offered to provide a
secret Foreign Office propaganda unit linked to the
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, JULY 10, 1996
A chart showing changes in the minimum wage, actual and adjusted for
inflation, and attributed to BLS accompanies an article on Senate passage of
a minimum wage raise (New York Times, page A1).
Growth in the manufacturing sector moderated in the
Privatization marches on.
I think questions about distribution and pricing are in order.
Doug
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I hate to display my extreme ignorance in this matter, but,
How much lower can he get? First, under the guise of "welfare reform" Bubba
pulls out the rug from under whatever little support the minorities get in
this country, and then he has the chutzpa to go to the NAACP convention and
brag about his "accomplishments" to help the minorities. At least
James Craven:
8) The only test of theory is prediction; if the theory is sound
this will be reflected in the accuracy of prediction; individual
assumptions need not be supported empirically or inductively as if
they are sound they will lead to deductively and predictively "valid"
conclusions and
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Pen-lers:
The recent discussion of Gary Becker and his work has been disappointing,
at a minimum. Originally, I wasn't going to comment. But, the critiques of
Becker have been way off base. First of all, heterodox economists and others
interested in
At 9:24 PM 7/10/96, Rahul Mahajan wrote:
Doug, isn't this rather a useless sense of "efficiency?" What does the
shortness of the time lag between Clinton's latest speech urging that
welfare mothers be put in the stocks and pelted with stones and the rise in
the price of Microsoft stock have to
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James Craven:
8) The only test of theory
I strongly endorse the sense of Patrick's remarks about the recent PEN-L
discussion of Becker. I'd add just two comments: first, there have been
theoretical initiatives on the left in some of the areas Patrick mentions,
in particular radical feminist theories of the family (a recent example of
Tavis Barr writes that It seems to me that what you're criticizing
is much mroe generally the value of modelling economies
mathematically than just the A-D GE model (unless by A-D you mean
specifically Walrasian equilibrium, which I agree is irrelevant
enough to be useless).
No, I'm not against
Rahul Mahajan asks 7/11 why James Craven objects to libertarians' being
"deductivists":
All of science is done by taking the basic underpinnings (axioms,
equations of motion, etc.), deducing consequences of them, then
empirically testing those consequences. This is the only way to do
Jim Craven wrote:
There are of course different strains/sects etc (Noam Chomsky is
often characterized as a "left-wing" libertarian or socialist
libertarian--I find this to be oxymoronic--and there is what is
known as the "Objectivist wing of the Libertarians; but here it goes:
One of the most
On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Teresa Ghilarducci wrote:
Dear TIAA - CREF participants:
Please watch for a proxy shareholder resolution this September initiated by
DEAN BAKER of the Economic Policy Institute 202-331-5525. He is asking the
TIAA-CREF board to have limits placed on individual
Hayek's argument was that the market was the most "efficient" way for
information about each person's valuations to be distributed to those
with the greatest desire to know (among them, those most likely to want
to supply something to satisfy those valuations) -- efficient in the
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Rahul Mahajan
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Jim Craven wrote:
There are of
Are the date from Shaikh and Tonak's book *Measuring the Wealth of
Nations* (Cambridge University Press 1994) available on the internet
somewhere?
Hans Ehrbar
Michael E. writes:
Hayek's argument was that the market was the most "efficient" way for
information about each person's valuations to be distributed to those
with the greatest desire to know (among them, those most likely to want
to supply something to satisfy those valuations) --
I once read a crude and admittedly reductive definition of libertarianism:
"I've got mine, so fuck you." Despite all the pretense of science, and the
high-blown language about liberty, the doctrine really does come down to
that in the end.
Doug
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I recently saw an article where the author, not a penner, critisized Milton
Friedman for being short, really. The Chicago boys have done untold damage
around the world. The get enormous support from right wing think tanks where
many lefties, a number of penners included, just scrape by.
Gil
Hi Hans:
Try contacting Anwar at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
peace, patrick l mason
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Subject:[PEN-L:5116] libertarianism
I once read a crude and admittedly reductive
To Maggie and others:
Start at
http://www.princeton.edu/~bdcaplan/index.html
(this is not a recommendation. You will get your
prejudices confirmed).
--
Trond Andresen
2 somewhat extended points:
1) Several years ago the _Journal of Economic
Literature_ published a paper on citation rates of
economists. Gary Becker was the most frequently
cited living economist, well ahead of such heavier
intellectual weights as Arrow and Samuelson, much
less his
Dear adam,
The labor bureacracy here is a big part of the bribed labour aristocracy.
In your SWP-UKs rush/profession to fetch up votes for the bourgeois
british Labor Party of her liberal majesty, one might tend to "forget'
small trifles such as this!.
If not falling into lock-step with the
Doug Henwood /11 reports
I once read a crude and admittedly reductive definition of
libertarianism: "I've got mine, so fuck you." Despite all the pretense
of science, and the high-blown language about liberty, the doctrine
really does come down to that in the end.
Of course, a
On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Doug Henwood wrote:
I frequently get asked by LBO subscribers what books I'd recommend they
read as intros to basic economics that were also politically congenial.
I've never come up with a satisfactory answer to the question. Any
suggestions?
Doug,
You
On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Michelle Billies wrote:
I have been approached by a community group here in Syracuse, NY,
considering launching a campaign for a living wage requirement for
firms that do business with the city. I believe there such a legal
requirement in Baltimore and I am told that
Pat Mason's defense of the idea of studying Gary Becker is
well-taken (especially since it was not a defense of Becker
himself).
If I were doing research on crime, for example, I would look up
what Becker had to say. (Just as I'd look up what all the other
thinkers on the subject, no matter
I apologize for all my missives; normally I'm not this active. I just
thought I would share a portion of the textbook I am writing entitled
"Gonzonomics: Some 'Mainstream' Economics Through Irreverent
Metaphor, Allegory and Schadenfreude"
The characters in my allegory include Biff (a yuppie
again, somehow this didn't show up in the pen-l archive. Again
sorry if it's redundant.
that's all for the week. See you on Monday.
Jim Craven wrote that for libertarians
The only test of theory is prediction; if the theory is sound
this will be reflected in the accuracy of prediction;
for some reason, this didn't show up in the pen-l archive. Sorry
if it's redundant.
1. For a well-written short book from a libertarian perspective,
see Milton Friedman's CAPITALISM AND FREEDOM (or the one with his
wife Rose, FREE TO CHOOSE).
The former is the source of his strategy of
In my earlier post I did not say anything about Becker's theories about
crime because I had a meeting I was late for. But Jim Divine does bring
it up:
Devine:
Pat Mason's defense of the idea of studying Gary Becker is
well-taken (especially since it was not a defense of Becker
himself).
If
Let me apologize for sending such a long post, but I wanted to respond to
Doug Orr's comments in detail. A short time after composing this wordy posting
I noticed that Jim Devine also forwarded a post in response to my previous
response. I have not responded to Jim here but will do so in a
Dear friends,
Adolfo. o. has gotten himself into quite a maoist muddle with
all that aclass drivel hiding the the class essence of "nations"
and then he disingenuously tries to give us the old class
collaborationist schemes for "united fronts of the People'
(read : united fronts for
At 1:20 PM 7/11/96, GC-Etchison, Michael wrote:
Of course, a libertarian would respond that the Left amounts to "I've
got yours, so fuck you," and all the talk about oppression and
entitlement is diversion and rationalization.
If this read, "We want yours, and fuck you," it would make at
In its last stage of monopoly capitalism, the whole motive of production
has become the making of the maximum capitalsit profit. The state is run
and the government policies formulated and carried out so as to ensure
the greatest profitability for the capitalsit class. The call of John
***Please forward to other interested parties***
Conference on the Need for a New Economics of Science
Conference Announcement and Call for Papers
University of Notre Dame
March 13-16, 1997
dear friends,
Beware of ex-marxists as they become the biggest capitalist apologists!
Tim Wohlforth is a prime example.
Is this not the same renegade that wrote a piece in the Social Democrat mag.
In These Tmes a few years back entitled "Give War A Chance' advocating US
occupation tropps
I have contacted Neil and expressed the concern that some of you have
expressed. He was very understanding, asking if more theoretical material
might be of more interest. I told him to go ahead.
His attitude was examplary. Most people get so caught up in their own
agenda that they are
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