At 8:56 PM 9/9/96, Max B. Sawicky wrote:
>Judging art by who likes it is ridiculous.
>After all, there are idiots who like Marx.
>(We know who you are.) And I read Henwood.
Am I the Marx in this analogy?
Doug
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to bill mitchell:
Duke Ellington once claimed that the swingingest piece
of music that he had ever heard was Bach's Third
Brandenburg Concerto. Yep, it does. Of course, the Duke
was an awfully tame jazzman
I don't know about classical music in OZ, but I
wouldn't be surprised if
Judging art by who likes it is ridiculous.
After all, there are idiots who like Marx.
(We know who you are.) And I read Henwood.
The best progressive music many of you never heard
of is the musical theatrical production "Pins and
Needles." It was orginally staged by the ILGWU in
the forties. T
Okay, perhaps I was unnecessarily insulting. Maybe Clinton is *not* a
sleazy slimey slug. Let's say he's a sleazy slimy scumbag. After all, while
I don't like slugs in my garden, sea slugs are very cool beings.
:)
Blair
P.S. sorry about the sleezy spelling error.
I wrote,
>>Just so there is
Paul: I am appalled by the treatment you and the Buffalo Chapter received
from the Labor Party national leadership. To put it mildly, such
undemocratic and bureaucratic fiats do not help the LP realize the
potential that it has to challenge the bourgeois political parties. I am
also dismayed that
Doug Henwood wrote:
>
> If you've been reading your LBO, you know that I think lots of claims about
> "globalization" are grossly overdone. Obviously production is more
> internationalized now than it was 40 years ago, but the unprecedentedness
> of this, the intensity of the trend, and the level
I'm listening to a very cool CD of Thelonious Monk (advanced jazz?) as I
write this. But he's African American, so it's okay, right?
Blair (who is NOT on the same wavelength as Clinton) Sandler
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>Oh shit, I better turn in my union card, I listen to classical music
> (rgh)
Antonio wrote,
>I hope I am not irking any Hegelians out there
Oh come now, Antonio: you *like* irking Hegelians! :)
Blair
Blair Sandler
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Maggie, Didn't you get my PEN-L:6040 or are you asking for more? Of
course, I think there is more to it--like the fact that I have been
openly critical of the undemocratic nature of the founding convention
and one of our Buffalo members was the woman at the convention who
said she cannot work for
Just so there is absolutely no mistake:
I am NOT! on the same wavelength as Clinton. I'm only sorry we're even on
the same planet. I am one of those folks who does *not* believe in
lesserevilism, so I will not be voting for Clinton and I will be telling
stories everywhere I get the opportunity ab
I am a little suprised at a kind of a-historicism and cultural
insensitivity of Bill and Doug with respect to both classical
music (in particular opera) and fold music a la Seeger et al.
With respect to opera, Verdi's music was considered so politically
dangerous by the elite that he was heavily
My! My! (If that is the correct idiomatic expression) Does all this talk
about music and dance mean that there is something to overdetermination
(the complex and open operations of displacement and condensation across
processes--class and non-class) after all?
Antonio Callari
Antonio Callari
E-M
Michael,
in Italy, opera was very much an arena of political action during the
Risorgimento (a decades long struggle for italian independence from a
number of 'foreign' powers.) Verdi and others were political figures as
well as artists. It's true, of course, that italy was eventually unified as
a
Dear femeconers and pen-lers;
Would people please reply to me off list with addresses of 'progressive'
lists and web sites? I am making a non-objective, non-scientific survey.
maggie coleman
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Here are some notes concerning the making of high brow and low brow
theater:
Wilentz, Sean. 1984. Chants Democratic: New York City and the
Rise of the American Working Class (New York: Oxford University
Press).
255: The unions promoted a code of "radical rectitude," yet
many workers retained th
Oh shit, I better turn in my union card, I listen to classical music
(rgh)
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul, Hey, that's not fair :), you can NOT tell us you've been
ex-communicated by pope tony without telling us the whys and wherefores!
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure quite where this fits in with David laibman's original post, but
The problem I have with computerized learning is the standardization of
education. Each teacher brings to the class a unique viewpoint and a
personality through which learning is filtered to the student. If we be
The London Times September 9 1996
BLAIR HEADS FOR CLASH WITH TUC ON NO-STRIKE PACKAGE
By Philip Bassett and Philip Webster
RADICAL plans to prevent a Labour government being derailed
by a wave of public sector pay strikes are to be put forward
by the Labour leadership tomorrow in a
> Please list the following in your search engine and web pointer or
> wherever you let these things out ...
>
> Web site: http://www.lightlink.com/wrehberg
>
> This is Web site for SPAN/--Shoestrings & Grace, twin upstate New
> York ecumenical social-justice and human-rights volunteer project
The question of "making a living" is a most important one for
human beings. "Livings" have been made in various ways at different
times and stages of the development of human society. The main form
of making a living in a society is determined by the manner in
which the ruling class or class
Jim writes:
>It seems to me that _any_ kind of music can be turned into
>"ruling class music": there's rock, but there's also homogenized
>corporate rock; there's rap, but there's also manipulative
>corporate rap; etc.
well i wasn't talking about the way the cappos steal every good idea that
With all due respect, this debate on the political nature of music, while
focusing on the aesthetic interpretations, misses a much simpler point: how
music is being produced or, more precisely, what kind of resources are
needed to produce it.
To produce, say, a piece for an orchestra you need a l
I picked up a book the other day "Centuries of Economic
Endeavor:Parallel Paths in Japan and Europe and Their Contrast With
the Third World" by John P. Powelson, Univ of Michigan, 1997 ed. On
the cover the endorsements read: "Extremely exciting...Leverage...is
a very important conept which I h
Disinformation is a weapon of the ruling circles to maintain the
status quo. The triumvirate of big government, big business and big
labor uses it to keep the people, particularly the working class,
in a state of ideological and political disorientation about the
problems facing society
The contrast between Jeremy Seabrook's article on globalization
(that Sid Schniad posted) and Doug Henwood's article in MONTHLY
REVIEW (that Mike Yates lauded) is striking.
While Seabrook stresses globalization (seemingly) as a new
phenomenon, for Henwood, much of it is very similar to the er
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
> BTW, I apologize to the list for picking on poor old
> Shawgi Tell so much. Michael P. has told me offlist to cut
> it out, but I really find it hard to resist. I guess that
> Michael figures that either 1) Shawgi can't defend himself
> because he is so woo
At 11:19 AM 9/9/96, Thad Williamson wrote:
>But 30 years later, Seeger is still at it, going around playing the
>same songs on left fundraisers and events all year long. Dylan is still
>at it too, but neither he nor the other rockers of that generation have
>any overt connection with any politicl
I can't believe this discussion (in this form) is taking place over
pen-l. The political significance of an artform is not reducible to who
produces it, enjoys it, pays for it, etc., although all of these may be
relevant. There is, of course, a long tradition on the left of
analyzing these thing
I see nothing wrong in attacking the tenure as we know it. The academia has
long been used in this country to dillute social movements and ease popular
pressure on the elites. The tenure system is basically coopting the
potential community organizers by giving them meaningless sinecures. Thus
f
INTERNATIONALISM VERSUS GLOBALIZATION
While internationalism would celebrate the
achievements, struggles and creativity of the poor, and
the equal rights of all peoples of the world to develop
in dignity, sufficiency and security, globalisation and
global capitalism requires the humiliation of hu
Since the first shutdown in London last December, opposition to
the anti-social offensive has been clearly established as the aim of
the OFL Fightback Campaign. The leadership of the OFL has not shown
any indication that it will take the aim further. In fact, since
Peterborough, some of the
Doug repeats the standard pro-rock'n-roll line! Yes, Pete Seeger is a Harvard
drop-out, and no, he and many otheres weren't happy when Dylan plugged
in at Newport in 1965.
But 30 years later, Seeger is still at it, going around playing the
same songs on left fundraisers and events all year long
Continuing the discussion of overdetermination and the Amherst
school (but not that of music):
Steve Cullenberg writes that:>> I am not sure why you want to
continue to insist that overdetermination is warmed-over empiricism
(you wrote the essence of overdetermination is empiricism), but I do
hop
On the editorial page of the _Wall Street Journal_
this morning there was a column arguing that the recent
convictions of the former South Korean presidents would
make peaceful reunification of the Koreas harder because
the North Korean leadership would now view itself as in
danger of be
On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT)
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> It seems to me that _any_ kind of music can be turned into
> "ruling class music": there's rock, but there's also homogenized
> corporate rock; there's rap, but there's also manipulative
> corporate rap; etc.
>
> By "rulin
At 9:27 AM 9/9/96, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>This is especially so since people can
>often use "ruling class music" for purposes for which it was not
>designed.
Classical music has become upscale muzak for sensitive yuppies, an aural
marker of "sophisticiation" popular in cafes, boutiques, and J
It seems to me that _any_ kind of music can be turned into
"ruling class music": there's rock, but there's also homogenized
corporate rock; there's rap, but there's also manipulative
corporate rap; etc.
By "ruling class music" do we a type of music that (a) doesn't
encourage any critical thi
Please, Shawgi, tell us: Are South Korean students
applying in droves for refugee status in Canada? We are
all dying to know how they have been fascistically rejected.
--
Rosser Jr, John Barkley
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At 10:19 PM 9/7/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Are the following "facts" true?
>
>1. Faculty salaries are not keeping up with inflation.
This is not true for every year since 1976.
I should have added the CPI (1983=100) data to my chart from last Friday.
All data from
Research Associates of Washingto
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bill mitchell wrote about classical music. In Italy, the opera seems to
have been popular among more common people. Am I wrong? Were there
inexpensive opera tickets.
With classical music, I do not think that it is only the music, but the
mileiu. No talking, just sitting quietly.
In Wilenz
bill mitchell wrote about Classical music.
The same applies to other aspects of culture. Wilenz's Chants Democratic
describes how in New York, elite entertainment was produced on Broadway.
The working class reviled in mh
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Ch
On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Michael Perelman wrote:
> Paul, Why?
Michael,
The Buffalo Chapter of the LP endorsed a UAW Regional Director to run for
Congress against Bill Paxon (chair of the Republican House Campaign
Committee and very right-wing; also husband to Susan Moliarni). That UAW
officer is we
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 1996
RELEASED TODAY:
EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- Unemployment declined in August, and nonfarm
payroll employment continued to increase. The nation's jobless rate fell
from 5.4 to 5.1 percent. The number of jobs on nonfarm payrolls rose by
250,000 in Augu
bill mitchell wrote:
> well i think this depends on what cultural-economic enviroment you have
> grown up in. classical music in the capitalist western world (say,
> australia) tends very firmly to be what i would term "ruling class"
> entertainment. there is no popular classical culture in OZ.
Jerry wrote:
>
>The rejection of classical music including operas by many also, I think,
>has an anti-intellectual component to it.
>
well i think this depends on what cultural-economic enviroment you have
grown up in. classical music in the capitalist western world (say,
australia) tends very f
> Its argument
> was that the folk audience was actually quite elite (I think the word
> Harvard even came up), and folkies were scandalized when the *real* popular
> music, rock & roll, got started.
> Doug
This attitude, in part, strikes me as generational since rockers were also
in general "sca
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