[PEN-L:7256] Re: Vote for Nader

1996-11-05 Thread Blair Sandler
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim? Shawgi Tell Shawgi: you

[PEN-L:7255] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread Blair Sandler
What I meant was that Social Text Co. were caught with their pants down and have had a lot of explaining to do. Certainly no question about that in my mind! What if anything it says about post-modern wars is another question entirely. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7257] Re: post-modern wars--Is competitive the heart of...?

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 09:58 AM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote: On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Ajit Sinha wrote: Exploitation and accumulation is not a result of man's inherent greed or desire to better his condition, but because of the forces of competition that reduces the capitalists to a cog in the system Ajit,

[PEN-L:7258] Fwd: Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread MScoleman
I agree with most of Doug's message, reproduced in full below. However, I disagree with the direction of causation. Doug correctly (imho) points out that while the right is becoming more and more organized, the left is floundering, splintered into dozens of small pieces. If I read the message

[PEN-L:7259] Re: Marx - PoMo or systems theory?

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
I don't see why this must be connected with post-modernism. I would say that it is much more clearly and straightforwardly described by the language and concepts of systems theory, where outside forces play the role of only influencing what is really endogeneously given dynamics which stem from

[PEN-L:7260] Habermas on Foucault

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
Here is the greatest defender of Enlightenment and modernity critiquing a great post-modernist. I wish we at the pen-l could discuss it at the same level (at least not so low as we have gotten at times). Just one more point: Foucault was quite a political animal and his politics was quite

[PEN-L:7261] Re: Fwd: Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread Anders Ekeland
Thanks to Maggie for an very interesting contribution, let me add my to cents, partly as a follow up to Trond Andresens earlier posting. 1) I think that in Norway the growing influence of pomo is because the traditional left, especially the stalinist and maoist, were dogmatic and

[PEN-L:7263] Re: Vote for Nader

1996-11-05 Thread SHAWGI TELL
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is

[PEN-L:7264] Re: post-modern wars--Is competitive the heart of...?

1996-11-05 Thread Paul Zarembka
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Ajit Sinha wrote: In other words, I believe that all of Capital, Volume I, takes competition as a support for exploitation and not the reverse (as you seem to have it). Paul Zarembka _ I'm not talking about "essence" of anything

[PEN-L:7265] Re: post-modern wars--Is competitive the heart of...?

1996-11-05 Thread HANLY
Recently Ajit Sinha writes: Competition is an aspect of the capitalist mode of production. Without the notion of competition, the "law" of value would not make much sense. My point is that exploitation is given in the very discription of the relation of production of capitalism. COMMENT: I do

[PEN-L:7267] African American Studies Call

1996-11-05 Thread Mathew . B . Forstater
*Third Annual CPC Conference on African American Studies* SANKOFA (Knowing the Past, Living the Present, Building the Future): AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDIES IN THE CONTINUUM AND THE NEXT MILLENNIUM Saturday,

[PEN-L:7269] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread Doug Henwood
At 12:01 AM 11/5/96, Blair Sandler wrote: What I meant was that Social Text Co. were caught with their pants down and have had a lot of explaining to do. Certainly no question about that in my mind! What if anything it says about post-modern wars is another question entirely. One thing it

[PEN-L:7270] Re: Habermas on Foucault

1996-11-05 Thread HANLY
Habermas says: Even from a distance, one experiences Foucault's death at fifty seven as an event whose untimeliness affirms the violence and mercilessness of time--the power of facticity, which, without sense and without triumph, prevails over the painstakingly constructed meaning of each

[PEN-L:7271] Re: Economics in the News

1996-11-05 Thread James Michael Craven
From: "James Michael Craven" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 11:57:35 PST8PDT Subject:Economics in the News Priority: normal The tabloids reported that singer

[PEN-L:7272] FW: BLS Daily Report

1996-11-05 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1996 _Nonfarm payroll employment grew by 210,000, seasonally adjusted, in October, with the largest gains in services and retail trade (Daily Labor Report, pages 1,D-4,E-5). The unemployment rate remained steady at 5.2 percent. The jobs report

[PEN-L:7273] old left (was Pomo eruptions)

1996-11-05 Thread JDevine
Terry McD writes: Whatever the weaknesses of the old left, they are not remotely responsible for our current condition. I disagree: many of the excesses of the 1960s/1970s New Left, it was true, stemmed from their unwillingness to listen to and learn from the Old Left. Some of that was

[PEN-L:7274] multidimensional value (was Re: nattering nabob [1])

1996-11-05 Thread JDevine
Bruce R. McFarling (hi, Bruce!) writes that: One of the divisions between institutionalist economics ... and Marxian economics has been the former's insistence on multi-dimensional theories of 'value'. But Marx had _two_ kinds of value, i.e., single-dimensional value (or exchange-value) and

[PEN-L:7275] pomo and all that

1996-11-05 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Probably should avoid this, but, sigh... I happen to think that there is a middle ground here. Without doubt there is a lot of silly pomo lit around, and the Sokal Affair, whatever else it has done, has certainly exposed this, at least in relation to hard science discussions (btw,

[PEN-L:7276] US election gossip

1996-11-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Well, for those of you care... Late afternoon media gossip, based on exit polls, is that Clinton is ahead by 7 points. Dems will pick up some seats in both House Senate, but won't take control. Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020

[PEN-L:7277] Re: multidimensional value

1996-11-05 Thread Bruce R. McFarling
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:49:01 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce R. McFarling (hi, Bruce!) [Hi, Jim!] writes that: One of the divisions between institutionalist economics ... and Marxian economics has been the former's insistence on multi-dimensional theories of 'value'. But Marx

[PEN-L:7278] Re: Vote for Nader

1996-11-05 Thread SHAWGI TELL
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote: Briefly (and crudely): there are no conditions which would allow Nader to be elected. Well, maybe there are some but I'd have a hard time conceiving of them and it's not clear why I would take the time to do so. :) I usually don't vote for

[PEN-L:7280] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread Blair Sandler
At 12:01 AM 11/5/96, Blair Sandler wrote: What I meant was that Social Text Co. were caught with their pants down and have had a lot of explaining to do. Certainly no question about that in my mind! What if anything it says about post-modern wars is another question entirely. One thing it

[PEN-L:7279] Re: Economia al Pomodoro

1996-11-05 Thread Blair Sandler
Max: I am one of the people who have been trying to argue that post-modernism offers valuable insights Marxists cannot afford to pass by. I also consider myself a Marxist (first and foremost, perhaps only after being a Wittgensteinian, because I learned to think by reading Wittgenstein, and then

[PEN-L:7281] Re: post-modern wars--Is competitive the heart of...?

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 06:54 AM 11/5/96 -0800, Paul Zarembka wrote: Marx's problem is to explain its [exploitation's] incessant reproduction. Now Adam Smith and most of the economists would explain it on the basis of human nature. Marx explains it on the basis of competition, I don't agree. Marx is not

[PEN-L:7282] Re: post-modern wars--Is competitive the heart of...?

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 08:06 AM 11/5/96 -0800, you wrote: Recently Ajit Sinha writes: Competition is an aspect of the capitalist mode of production. Without the notion of competition, the "law" of value would not make much sense. My point is that exploitation is given in the very discription of the relation of

[PEN-L:7284] Unproductive worker REVISITED

1996-11-05 Thread Fikret Ceyhun
Elections were distraction from normalcy. Now that my Nader campaign is over. I can return to my routine. Reading my e-mail I saw many comments and suggestions to my question and request about dental hygienist. First, I must thank to those who commented on my question and informed that she is

[PEN-L:7283] Re: It is gone to far: Tim

1996-11-05 Thread Ajit Sinha
One thing it says is that people who go on about science should actually know something about science. When Stanley Aronowitz says something like this, he just has no idea what he's talking about: "I want to insist that the convention of treating natural and human sciences according to a