[PEN-L:8315] Cockroach! Now a bi-weekly!

1997-01-21 Thread Robert Malecki
Do to the unprecedented amount of material being produced at present by people who contribute to the newspaper "Cockroach" the editorial board has decided to, for the time being, go up to producing a bi-weekly! This means that Cockroach will now be coming out on Thursdays and Sondays in the f

[PEN-L:8314] Re: A Deformed Wokkers' State

1997-01-21 Thread Robert Malecki
Forwarding and interesting piece to the lists. Bob Malecki > >I am reading a book by Simone Weil (1909-43) - publisihed >post-humously in 1958 called Oppression and LibertyI have typed >this peice - so hopefully not many typos. The sentences are long, >but then that is her writing I suppose.

[PEN-L:8313] Re: What Do The Imperialists Want from Serbia, Bulgaria And Other Such ,

1997-01-21 Thread Robert Malecki
Shawgi writes; > It is as clear as clear can be that the complete restoration >of capitalism in the countries of eastern Europe and the Russian >Federation has plunged these countries into a profound all-sided >crisis. Actually something worth while discussing. In another letter I recently

[PEN-L:8312] Re: utopia

1997-01-21 Thread HANLY
JIm Devine writes: This antagonism became violent in the Third International, because any utopianism was implicitly or explicitly a criticism of the USSR. Comment: This is somewhat ironic because Stalinism in particular is a type of Utopian idealism of the present. The USSR was the worker's

[PEN-L:8311] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, utopian socialism

1997-01-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Rosser Jr, John Barkley referred to non-market socialism as utopian. We have never had a satisfactory socialist society. The same can be said for market socialism and even capitalism. Whenever a society begins to try socialism, the capitalist powers do everything they can to undermine it. In N

[PEN-L:8310] utopia

1997-01-21 Thread JDevine
Barkley writes: >> It is true that Owen and Fourier proposed small utopias within larger market capitalist settings, and this may have warranted the dismissive "utopian" label attached by Marx and Engels.<< A growing literature suggests that Marx and Engels were _not_ very dismissive toward t

[PEN-L:8309] Le Roi est le Roi

1997-01-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Here is the section on Le Roi from my new book: Modern Class Struggles in the Information Age Le Roi est le Roi Markets teach us to turn a blind eye toward the environmental damage occurring all around us. This defect reflects a far larger problem with markets in our econ

[PEN-L:8308] market socialism, planned socialism, utopian socialism

1997-01-21 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Questions have been raised in various posts about the class nature of market and planned socialism and whether either or neither of these is "utopian" in any sense. 1) Most tracts on how to carry out planned socialism say little about class relations, other than to have some vague h

[PEN-L:8307] Re: information please

1997-01-21 Thread Michael Perelman
Dear Penners, This is an occasional reminder of some of the listserv commands at your disposal. The commands have been capitalized for emphasis. These commands should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are going to be away and want to postpone messages from pen-l send a message to [EMAIL PRO

[PEN-L:8306] Mexico City Demo for Mersey Dockers (fwd)

1997-01-21 Thread D Shniad
> From: LabourNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Mexico City Demo for Mersey Dockers > Comments: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Transportation workers march in support of British

[PEN-L:8305] Re: vive le roi?

1997-01-21 Thread Michael Perelman
I used that pun for a chapter in my new book. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a fragment from a recent pen-l discussion: > >>Its pretty clear that the breakdown (in North America?) in > roles and rules are going to have large and global implications > (driven by the higher ROI on financial capital

[PEN-L:8304] Re: M-I: Michael Leibowitz on Market Socialism

1997-01-21 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On 21 Jan 97 at 8:26, L. Project wrote: > >I always had trouble understanding what the profit motive had to do with > >innovation and productivity myself. The Internet is an example of > >innovation devoid of the profit motive. I also have done my most creative > >work in my non-professional life

[PEN-L:8303] Ebonics

1997-01-21 Thread James Michael Craven
Heard on Roach Limpbone: It seems that in order to promote the concept of ebonics recognized as a separate language from which to proceed to build foundations in "formal" english, the proponents have proposed a "Miss Ebonics" beauty contest. When the idea was pitched, 49 out of 50 States signe

[PEN-L:8302] vive le roi?

1997-01-21 Thread JDevine
a fragment from a recent pen-l discussion: >>Its pretty clear that the breakdown (in North America?) in roles and rules are going to have large and global implications (driven by the higher ROI on financial capital << Given the French meaning of "ROI," can we say that financial capital is king

[PEN-L:8301] Re: M-I: Michael Leibowitz on Market Socialism

1997-01-21 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On 21 Jan 97 at 8:26, Doug Henwood wrote: > Lou Proyect asked me to forward this. Both he & I ask you not to take that > as an implied endorsement. Far from it in fact I read this piece with great interest. What a pity Louie can't or won't behave himself. He would be such an interesting gu

[PEN-L:8300] Re: Interest rates, fincance vs.productive capital

1997-01-21 Thread Doug Henwood
At 8:32 AM 1/21/97, Paul Altesman wrote: >a) Stock buybacks do represent a shift from productive curcuits >to money-as-a-commodity curcuits (and rivals the financial institutions on >"their" turf). Mostly, the M&A funds do the same (i.e. they commodify asset >control, although we wil

[PEN-L:8299] Why Is Discussion Needed?

1997-01-21 Thread SHAWGI TELL
Organized discussion among the people is necessary in order to begin the struggle for the progress of society. Discussion on the causes and solutions to the problems in society is absent. For example, while people are openly dissatisfied with the current political set-up, discussion on what

[PEN-L:8298] What Do The Imperialists Want from Serbia, Bulgaria And Other Such ,

1997-01-21 Thread SHAWGI TELL
When the people of Ontario and other provinces began their struggle against the anti-social offensive, the monopoly-controlled media and politicians let it be known that Harris and other governments across Canada had the "mandate" to do what they wish. The people, they said, have to wait till the

[PEN-L:8297] Interest rates, fincance vs.productive capital

1997-01-21 Thread Paul Altesman
At 04:28 PM 1/17/97 -0800, Doug Henwood wrote: >It's not so much that industry is shifting its surplus funds to finance; >it's more like it's just shipping huge wads of cash to Wall Street. I don't >remember the numbers exactly - buy my book - but over the last decade or so >US nonfinancial cor

[PEN-L:8296] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-01-21 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, JAN. 15-16, 1997 _Spurred by a continuing rise in oil prices, consumer prices rose 0.3 percent in December, BLS reports. The CPI-U rose 3.3 percent in 1996, up from a 2.5 percent advance in 1995. But the core rate of inflation rose just 2.6 perce

[PEN-L:8295] information please

1997-01-21 Thread BRKMENZ
Please send me some info. re: progressive economists, et al.

[PEN-L:8294] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-01-21 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JANUARY 17, 1997 ETA reports initial claims filed with state agencies for unemployment insurance benefits fell 32,000 to a seasonally adjusted total of 323,000 during the week ended Jan. 11 (Daily Labor Report, page D-1)_The level was the lowest in nearly thre

[PEN-L:8293] Occupation of French Bank (fwd)

1997-01-21 Thread D Shniad
> _ > =20 >HUNDREDS OF UNARMED EMPLOYEES OCCUPY=20 > _ > =20 >Captors are holding the governor and six directors of the ailing >

[PEN-L:8292] Mersey Bubble Set to Burst (fwd)

1997-01-21 Thread D Shniad
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 22:52:09 + > Reply-To: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Comments: Authenticated sender is <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: LabourNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject:

[PEN-L:8291] M-I: Michael Leibowitz on Market Socialism

1997-01-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Lou Proyect asked me to forward this. Both he & I ask you not to take that as an implied endorsement. Far from it in fact Doug >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 12:44:04 -0500 (EST) >From: Louis N Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: M-I: Michael Leibowitz on Market Socia

[PEN-L:8290] Afrilabor

1997-01-21 Thread Michael H. Belzer
Hi all, As some of you know there is an African labor-oriented e-mail list called Afrlabor, which was organized by Carolyn Brown of Rutgers, with a dual purpose of promoting discussion of African labor history, and supporting contemporary African labor movements. Never a huge or high-traffic li