Louis, your correspondent writes:
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I invite you to educate yourself further on microcredit. Please examine
the success of the Grameen Bank, ACCION International, and FINCA. It
really does have the potential to greatly
I'm going to defer to Gina Neff to answer these missives from the
microcrediteers. I'll just confine myself to saying - don't these guys ever
offer any evidence for their claims? They offer one assertion after
another, but no proof that microcredit has any more than a marginally
positive effect.
Ellen Dannin wrote:
I'd like to suggest again that you not ignore the law and its impact
here. David Montgomery's book, Citizen Worker, reviews how the law was
enforced by the courts to weaken any rights workers had to act
collectively. At the same time the corporate form was being given the
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DOMESTIC WORKER AWARDED $47,000 FOR UNPAID LABOR
By David Bacon
LOS ANGELES (6/5/97) - Lost in last week's
I thought people on this list would be interested in the following message
and discussion,
Marches against unemployment, casualisation, social exclusion
EVERYONE TO AMSTERDAM 14 JUNE FOR - THE GENERALISED REDUCTION OF WORK TIME
- A SOCIAL AND COOPERATIVE ECONOMY OF MUTUAL AID - THE RIGHT TO A
NOMINEE #1 [San Jose Mercury News]
An unidentified man, using a shotgun like a club to break a former
girlfriend's windshield, accidentally shot himself to death when the gun
discharged, blowing a hole in his gut.
NOMINEE #2 [Kalamazoo
tom wood wrote,
"For example, if employees work 9 hours a day and the law provides for
time-and-a-half pay after 8 hours, their daily pay is 9.5 times their
standard hourly rate. But if the law is changed so that overtime is paid
after 7 hours, they are paid 10 times the hourly wage each day.
In addition the factors that Bill Lear points to as encouraging automobile
use, I want remind people that the auto fits perfectly with the
individualistic culture that prevails in the US. Even when one is stuck in
a traffic jam that results when _everybody_ seeks freedom on the freeway,
it's the
In a message dated 97-06-09 10:57:12 EDT, Terry writes:
I suspect
intellectuals of the more organic kind were supplying intellectual
leadership. Whether their names have survived the general historical
amnesia about ordinary people is another question.
I certainly agree with this--I think
In a message dated 97-06-09 11:26:58 EDT, you write:
Most unions were formed when people were working six
days a week, 10-12 hours a day.
Doug and a couple of other people have pointed out that twentieth century
Americans also work long weeks (ie Juliet Schor's Overworked
American--excellent
Jim Devine wrote, in part
BTW, the destruction of LA's public transportation system was not (as myth
would have it) simply the result of a conspiracy of GM, etc. (to create a
market for busses). Middle-class voters were increasingly irritated by the
way that the dilapidated old "Redcars"
Here are some notes from a fun book. And don't forget the famous Snell
Report about how GM trashed public transport.
Ival Illich once did some calculations about the car, showing that when
you take the time that you spend paying for your car and assorted costs,
you could get there as quickly on
I have problems with microcredit for a few reasons:
1. In many of the countries where the credit is extended to women, the same
women are legally prohibited from marketing their own wares, and the profits
are controlled by the men in the family.
2. Micro credit by definition defines the kinds
In a message dated 97-06-09 11:26:58 EDT, you write:
But I'd guess that it'd be hard to find too many
people working 60-72 hour weeks in 1997.
Doug
HA maggie
The New York Times June 10, 1997
Peru's Poverty and Repression Dull Fujimori's Gleam
By Diana Jean Schemo
LIMA, Peru -- Eager to show what a man of the people he was,
President Alberto Fujimori drove his jeep high into the dusty slums
where Lima's
The Irish Times
FOREIGN Wednesday, June 11, 1997
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A demonstrator wears a mask depicting the new French Prime Minister,
Mr Lionel Jospin, as he carries a sign that reads "Vilvoorde will
live", a reference to the Belgian Renault car plant which is due to
close, during
Ellen Dannin wrote:
I'd like to suggest again that you not ignore the law and its impact
here. David Montgomery's book, Citizen Worker, reviews how the law was
enforced by the courts to weaken any rights workers had to act
collectively. At the same time the corporate form was being given the
On Wed, June 11, 1997 at 12:21:10 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes:
...
How can one explain this strange phenomenon? Can't most people in this
country make a simple cost/benefit calculation that involves the fourth
grade math? Or perhaps they can, but they are willing to bear any costs
"For example, if employees work 9 hours a day and the law provides for
time-and-a-half pay after 8 hours, their daily pay is 9.5 times their
standard hourly rate. But if the law is changed so that overtime is paid
after 7 hours, they are paid 10 times the hourly wage each day. Thus the
cost of
Not being born in- and not feeling to be a part of this countryits culture
(other than earning a meager income and carrying a passport that does not
require visas to most other countries), I am perplexed by ceratin aspects of
life in the US that escape my understanding. One is the irrational --
I imagine that the Harris Co. relied on a telephone poll to collect
people's recollections on how many hours a week they work. A better
methodology would require eople to record their work and non-work hours
in a log over the course of one or more weeks.
Steven Zahniser
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I forwarded Louis' post on microcredit to Aikya Param, editor of Women and
Money, which has covered the microcredit issue favorably. Here is her
response, which she agreed could be posted to PEN-L. Those who care to
communicate to her should do so directly rather than responding to me. Her
Dear all,
I am a sociology graduate student at the University of California-Santa
Cruz and I am teaching a course this summer on the history of world
capitalism. I was wondering if any of you out there could recommend an
elusive book hot off the presses on the following topic: contemporary
The BLS reported,
The Labor Dept. survey of households shows that the average
worker put in 39.2 hours last year, up from 37.7 in 1982. And,
according to polls conducted by Louis Harris Associates, the median
number of hours worked per week in the U.S. has risen steadily from
40.3 in 1973
Michael Perelman writes Jim D. correctly notes that union participation
was low in the 1920s. In part, that did reflect a strong assault on labor
with the Red Scare, etc. In part, it reflected employers' strategy of
welfare capitalism,
where they offered certain "union-like" benefits to labor In
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Michael Perelman wrote:
James Devine wrote:
Michael Perelman asks if labor has ever been so weak with such low
unemployment rates ("tight" labor markets). I'd say yes. The 1920s was a
period of labor weakness, but low U rates:
Jim D. correctly notes that union
James Devine wrote:
Michael Perelman asks if labor has ever been so weak with such low
unemployment rates ("tight" labor markets). I'd say yes. The 1920s was a
period of labor weakness, but low U rates:
Jim D. correctly notes that union participation was low in the 1920s.
In part, that
See esp. item 4, How many hours in a work week?
--
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, JUNE 10, 1997
Many of the assumptions made by the Advisory Commission to Study the
CPI are flawed, BLS says in a point-by-point report submitted to the
Joint Economic Committee. It is the agency's
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Paolo Giussani said:
A really outstanding movie - unfortunately in italian - on the first
strikes and the birth of workers' union in a textile factory (around 1880,
Turin) is "I Compagni" (The comrades) by Mino Monicelli (1963). An english
subtitled
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Dear Louis,
Regarding your
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