[PEN-L:12334] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-15 Thread Bill Burgess
Last weeK I dashed off a criticism of some "talking points' against NAFTA fast-fastacking that had been posted on PEN-L. I argued they blamed Mexicans for increased bad food and (illegal) drugs in the US; that blaming NAFTA for job losses let capitalism off the hook; and that citing 'border

[PEN-L:12336] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread Max B. Sawicky
This post reminds me of the Kathleen Turner's line in Prizzi's Honor. Jack Nicholson learns with shock that his girlfriend is a hit-person with many jobs under her belt. Expressing his amazement to her, she replies, "Well, it's not that many if you take it as a proportion of the population."

[PEN-L:12337] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-14 14:28:04 EDT, you write: The way to say it without sounding like a chauvanist is to say it like a feminist. There is no cultural basis for asserting that Sr. Nirmala is acting out of an Indian cultural perspective. The beauty of culture is its adaptability. The Indian

[PEN-L:12340] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-15 Thread michael perelman
Bill Burgess wrote: Michael Pereleman noted that it is not blaming Americans to assert that WTO regulations make it difficult to keep steroids and growth hormones out of food in European countries. I'm not sure how this point connects to NAFTA on Mexico. Should be oppose increasing access

[PEN-L:12341] language-thinking

1997-09-15 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Devine writes that depending on one's definitions one may separate thought and language. That's true, but some definitions are closer to the truth than others. Even if we define thinking per se as something that "occurs within an individual's brain" (a very liberal view, I might add) such

[PEN-L:12344] language vs. thinking

1997-09-15 Thread James Devine
Ricardo writes notes that I wrote that depending on one's definitions one may separate thought and language. That's true, but some definitions are closer to the truth than others. Even if we define thinking per se as something that "occurs within an individual's brain" (a very liberal view, I

[PEN-L:12345] Consistency and Respect

1997-09-15 Thread Colin Danby
It's good that people on the list are quick to defend Buddhists, even from relatively oblique references that might be interpreted as indicating a lack of respect. Can a similar level of courtesy and respect be extended to Muslims? I'm a little surprised that an anti-Muslim joke could go up

[PEN-L:12350] Thai Bubbles

1997-09-15 Thread BHOPE
The Thailand version of Asian miracle is real in terms of macroeconomic performance, the growth of manufacturing, and real changes in standards of living for an extraordinary number of Thais. But the miracle is only part of the story. Poverty, environmental degradation, urban congestion, AIDS,

[PEN-L:12352] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread anzalone/starbird
For clarification: My remarks were intended to remind our colleague of the Catholic church hierarchy requirements that clerics and nuns spout the party line. Sr. Nirmala was responding as per the requirement of her oath of office to a question about abortion. As a nun she was not "free" to make a

[PEN-L:12354] Re: Consistency and Respect

1997-09-15 Thread michael perelman
Maybe I am an insensitive type. Yes, as Doug pointed out, the Bhudda joke cast aspersions -- but not on Bhuddists, but on Gore and Clinton. The Kuwaiti joke was suggesting that sexism exists in the Muslim world. It does. Sometimes, it even crops up closer to home. We should be sensitive to

[PEN-L:12356] Re: language vs. thinking

1997-09-15 Thread James Devine
I had written: In addition, a clarifying note: the expression of words (on paper or in speech or electronically) is a kind of action (social practice). There are, however, some types of action that are more important in terms of their impact on the historical process than others. My lecturing in

[PEN-L:12358] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread Anthony P D'Costa
I am sorry but I don't rely on 60 minutes for my news on India. Sixty minutes sounds good on TV and sometimes genuinely so. There are dowry deaths and like I said found in certain regions, concentrated among urban lower/middle middle classes. I am fully aware of Sati and there is no confusion

[PEN-L:12360] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Bill Burgess wrote: Michael Perelman asked if we should not have the right to pass protective regulations in a city or state or country. Of course, and I'm all for improving the regulations. But he goes on to say "The problem is that capitalists use trade organizations to break down the

[PEN-L:12361] the ugly rich

1997-09-15 Thread Thad Williamson
PBS carried a one-hour, Pew Trust sponsored program called "Affluenza" tonight about American consumerism. The first 45 minutes were quite good though the last part on responses focussed solely on individualist strategies for dropping off the treadmill, not even a hint of actually challenge

[PEN-L:12363] Re: slurs

1997-09-15 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 09:48 12/09/97 -0700, Jim D. wrote: Sure, but is fighting on the language front the _best_ way to empower those without power? If a moralistic perspective that "you guys have to speak 'correct' language all the time" alienates potential allies, is the language battle the best way? Wouldn't

[PEN-L:12362] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread Anthony P D'Costa
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, anzalone/starbird wrote: For clarification: My remarks were intended to remind our colleague of the Catholic church hierarchy requirements that clerics and nuns spout the party line. Sr. Nirmala was responding as per the requirement of her oath of office to a question

[PEN-L:12359] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-15 Thread Bill Burgess
On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Max B. Sawicky wrote (about our difference on blaming NAFTA for job losses): The left's job is to strive for practical, incremental gains in a way that points to larger solutions. I agree with this, but I disagree you can "point to larger solutions" by blaming job

[PEN-L:12357] UNCTAD REPORT

1997-09-15 Thread Sid Shniad
11 September 1997 Press Release TAD/1847 UNCTAD SOUNDS WARNING ON GLOBALIZATION ADVANCE RELEASE GENEVA, 11 September (UNCTAD) -- The big story of the world economy since the early 1980s has been increasing integration through the unleashing of market forces.

[PEN-L:12355] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread Doug Henwood
I'm sorry, I should have made my point better. I meant to point to the fact that hierarchies of class and sex are not just the result of Western imposition. It is anyone's prerogative to point out the feminist question, I couldn't agree with that more. Violence against women is everywhere and I

[PEN-L:12353] On the other hand ...

1997-09-15 Thread Sid Shniad
The ONIONNumber One In News * 10 September 1997 _ News In Brief _ GEOPOLITICAL BALANCE OF POWER SOMEHOW UNAFFECTED BY DEATH OF PRINCESS LONDON--In a

[PEN-L:12351] Re: language vs. thinking

1997-09-15 Thread anzalone/starbird
Why on earth would you think, even using your own analysis, that words not acted on are less significant than deeds; that the work building a building across the way is LESS significant than you class room lecture? ellen starbird Ricardo writes notes that I wrote that depending on one's

[PEN-L:12349] Re: Comp.Econ.Sys. course bibliography

1997-09-15 Thread Laurence Shute
Eric, I would appreciate a copy. Thanks, Larry Shute Eric Schutz writes: I have just updated a bibliography on socialist economics that I sent out to pen-l'ers in 1991, suitable for use in courses on, e.g., Comp. Econ. Sys. I'll be happy to e-mail the new version

[PEN-L:12348] The beautiful torched

1997-09-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, this revolting practice is more common than any patriotic Indian will admit. Aside from women's groups, general and _ad hoc_, there is little consistent concern, government and police included. A victim's family must have some clout to obtain even a glimmer of justice. We might wonder

[PEN-L:12347] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, September 15, 1997 at 07:59:21 (-0700) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. However, I certainly agree that catholicism always puts the most backward/patriarchal spin on any local culture. ... What about in Central America? How did the Jesuits relate to the Catholic hierarchy, and to the women

[PEN-L:12346] Re: Chilian Soc. Sec. reform

1997-09-15 Thread BAIMAN
Joe, Best quick reference I've seen is by Vicente Navarro, In These Times, March 3, 1997 "Chasing Chile - right over the cliff". Best, Ron ** Ron Baiman Dept. of Economics Roosevelt UniversityFax: 312-341-3680 430 South Michigan Ave

[PEN-L:12343] Re: NAFTA

1997-09-15 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Bill Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:12334] Re: NAFTA Last weeK I dashed off a criticism of some "talking points' against NAFTA fast-fastacking that had been posted on PEN-L. I argued they blamed Mexicans for increased bad food and (illegal) drugs in the US;

[PEN-L:12342] messiah?

1997-09-15 Thread James Devine
Valis writes: Any serious consideration of Doug's question finally compels a study of Dr Mahathir bin Mohamad, Malaysia's quite messianic PM. Heck, that is nothing. I have a student whose first name is Messiah. On the other hand, singer-songwriter Dan Bern tells us that _he_ is the Messiah.

[PEN-L:12339] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-15 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-15 04:59:44 EDT, Anthony DaCosta writes: The last case I heard was in the 1980s, in a village in rajasthan, perhaps one of the most economically underdeveloped state. As for restrictions on property ownership it is still a problem. The institution of patriarchy will

[PEN-L:12338] Re: Asia's future

1997-09-15 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-14 19:07:16 EDT, Doug writes (er asks): Any thoughts on whether the financial crises in Thailand and Malaysia mark the end of the Asian miracle, or are just a little bump in the road with minimal real world fallout? I think the Asian miracle will take a while to