[PEN-L:12721] Re: Question: The USSR and the Great Depression

1997-09-30 Thread Michael Perelman
James Devine wrote: I'm not convinced that US workers, farmers, etc. did that well during the GD. Real wages fell, while speed-up and stretch-out were the dominant theme for those who kept their jobs. Unemployment rose, and stayed high. Agricultural prices, which had been low in the 1920s,

[PEN-L:12719] Question: The USSR and the Great Depression

1997-09-30 Thread James Devine
michael perelman asks:During most U.S. depression, capital has succeeded in preserving part of its prior gains by bearing down harder on workers, farmers, etc. Such was not the case during the Great Depression. Was there any reason, other than the existence of an alternative system, that made

[PEN-L:12720] Re: Clinton Aide Brokered Union Credit Card

1997-09-30 Thread Michael Eisenscher
At 12:47 PM 9/30/97 -0700, Bove, Roger E. wrote: This was illegible. Is another format possible? Roger -- From: pen-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [PEN-L:12670] Re: Clinton Aide Brokered Union Credit Card Deal Date: Monday, September 29, 1997

[PEN-L:12718] Re: Question: The USSR and the Great Depression

1997-09-30 Thread anzalone/starbird
During most U.S. depression, capital has succeeded in preserving part of its prior gains by bearing down harder on workers, farmers, etc. Such was not the case during the Great Depression. Was there any reason, None come to mind, but other possible variables could include: Greater

[PEN-L:12717] Samir Amin and Arab-Muslim prospects

1997-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoth John Gulick: I always thought Amin was not assailing Arab-Muslim culture per se, but was merely claiming that the rise of so-called "fundamentalist Islam" bears a direct relationship to the crisis of the sort of national developmentalism Louis chronicled, although it can not and could

[PEN-L:12716] Re: Third World economic decline

1997-09-30 Thread Anthony P D'Costa
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[PEN-L:12714] Re: Algeria Samir Amin

1997-09-30 Thread john gulick
I always thought Amin was not assailing Arab-Muslim culture per se, but was merely claiming that the rise of so-called "fundamentalist Islam" bears a direct relationship to the crisis of the sort of national developmentalism Louis chronicled, although it can not and could never resolve this

[PEN-L:12713] Re: Algeria Samir Amin

1997-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, john gulick wrote: Thank you [Louis] for the extraordinarily enlightening disquisition on post-independence Algerian political economy. Has Samir Amin written anything specifically on this subject ? Your analysis sounds very much like what I imagine Amin's would

[PEN-L:12712] Re: Third World economic decline

1997-09-30 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Anthony P D'Costa wrote: But there is no counterpart to Singapore's experience in the region or for that matter in the world. The lesson S'pore offers is organizational expertise and economic coordination, flouting all NC theory. One other thought here: could you argue

[PEN-L:12711] Re: Clinton Aide Brokered Union Credit Card

1997-09-30 Thread mreview
At 12:47 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: This was illegible. Is another format possible? Roger -- From: pen-l To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [PEN-L:12670] Re: Clinton Aide Brokered Union Credit Card Deal Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 12:12PM

[PEN-L:12710] Re: Algeria

1997-09-30 Thread Louis N Proyect
Most of the information came from Rachid Tlemcani's "State and Revolution in Algeria", published by Westview. My guess is that this is out-of-print. One of the benefits of working at Columbia is that I can usually track down a jewel like this. My biggest problem is usually finding just the right

[PEN-L:12709] CWA Organizing Win (fwd)

1997-09-30 Thread Sid Shniad
From: Dave Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CWA Organizing Win September 30, 1997 In Big Victory for Labor, Workers at US Airways Vote to Unionize By STEVEN GREENHOUSE In the biggest union organizing election in private business in a decade, nearly 10,000 reservations

[PEN-L:12707] Re: Algeria

1997-09-30 Thread john gulick
Louis, Thank you for the extraordinarily enlightening disquisition on post-independence Algerian political economy. Has Samir Amin written anything specifically on this subject ? Your analysis sounds very much like what I imagine Amin's would sound like. At 05:54 AM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote:

[PEN-L:12706] Re: Clinton Aide Brokered Union Credit Card Deal

1997-09-30 Thread Bove, Roger E.
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[PEN-L:12705] Re: Privatizing Pensions

1997-09-30 Thread JayHecht
In a message dated 97-09-30 10:49:04 EDT, you write: 1) What are the arguments against stock market funding of basic social security pensions? Volatility of returns. From 1975 to June 1997, the SP 500 had a 5.9% avg annual return. Gov't bonds were a better deal. Of course all this

[PEN-L:12704] Immiseration of the 3rd World Singapore.

1997-09-30 Thread James Devine
We have to reconcile Ed Herman's theory of third world immiseration with Anthony's glowing description of Singapore's prosperity, complete with obnoxious cellular phones. More generally, how to reconcile Herman's story with the success of a lot of East Asia. The second, more general, question has

[PEN-L:12701] Re: Privatizing Pensions

1997-09-30 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Paul, Peter Donohue and I did an article regarding proposals for "reform" of the US Social Security System in Z Magazine (March, 1997). I have attached an ASCII file with material from that article and subsequent work that I put together for a presentation to a San Francisco Labor Party Chapter

[PEN-L:12703] Re: Can Marxism explain the Holocaust?

1997-09-30 Thread James Devine
Again, thanks to Louis for his learned presentation. This is a VERY important question. I'll bring in a small number of points: * the idea of a "people-class" encouraging social antagonism (in this case, the Jews) fits with the pluralist view that when "social cleavages" (class vs. class,

[PEN-L:12702] Re:culture

1997-09-30 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Date sent: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Colin Danby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:12693] Re: Culture When I asked Colin what were those "Greek

[PEN-L:12700] re: Algeria

1997-09-30 Thread James Devine
Thanks, Louis for the great analysis of Algeria. I hope there are other people who know about that country who can add as much. Louis mentions the distinction between Algeria and Cuba, with the latter being a case of a country that did break with capitalism. It is useful to clarify

[PEN-L:12699] Re: Algeria II

1997-09-30 Thread Louis N Proyect
In a way, this is moot because the era of these types of revolutions might be over, with the collapse of the USSR. Victor Tirado, a Sandinista, argued that the era of anti-imperialist revolutions in the third world might have come to an end based on the experience of Nicaragua. Cuba seems to be

[PEN-L:12698] Re: Algeria II

1997-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reading Louis Proyect's analysis prompts this question: What, if anything, can prevent a poor country's campaign of socialist development from degenerating into a coercive 20th-century retread of mercantilism? I ask because this is what appears to happen, again and again.

[PEN-L:12697] Privatizing Pensions

1997-09-30 Thread PHILLPS
Pen-l-ers, I will be debating current proposals to reform the Canadian Pension Plan on TV tomorrow evening. The argument for 'reform' I believe is similar to that for privatizing the US social security system based on (inaccurate) claims that the present system is bankrupt, non-sustainable,

[PEN-L:12696] Re: ethnic terminology

1997-09-30 Thread Daevid MacKenzie
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: Quoth Ellen Dannin: One of my colleagues who has worked on rights of indigenous peoples told me that the preferred term was Indians and not Native Americans in the eastern US as well as elsewhere for decades. He explained to me that the

[PEN-L:12695] Re: Culture

1997-09-30 Thread Daevid MacKenzie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: It's my understanding that words like African American should not be hyphenated when they are nouns and should be hyphenated when they are used descriptively. Ex: Mayor Giuliani is one of many Italian Americans. That Italian-American conservative Giuliani is running a

[PEN-L:12694] Re: Algeria

1997-09-30 Thread Louis N Proyect
There has never been such a thing as a purely proletarian party with a purely revolutionary program and the FLN of Algeria was no exception. It contained political contradictions between Marxist and bourgeois- nationalist groupings. These contradictions were most often expressed through the

[PEN-L:12693] Re: Culture

1997-09-30 Thread Colin Danby
A few of points of clarification in response to Ricardo's note. 1. Ancients What were those "Greek achievements" that Islamic intellectuals builded on? Math, medicine, philosophy aesthetics etc. ... Or is this a rhetorical question? Before the Greeks, people were satisfied with whatever