[PEN-L:2783] Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: >Disease and blowback. In repsonse to the posts by Brad and Jim, I remember a >semester ago talking about poverty to my class. Many listened politely for >fear of offending the instructor rather than out of interest. Then, I >spoke of >pockets of poverty breeding diseas

[PEN-L:2787] Rouge Deaths (fwd)

1999-02-01 Thread michael
Forwarded message: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:48:12 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Richard Gibson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Rouge Deaths In-Reply-To: Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UID: 6948 Around 3:15 this afternoon an explosion at

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1999-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
The disease metaphor worked because diseases do not always respect such barriers. Doug Henwood wrote: > Build gated communities? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2781] Re: RE: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 99-02-01 16:31:22 EST, you write: << Why should the relation between socioeconomic status and HIV/AIDS be any different than it is for another other illness and injury? >> because hiv/aids has the potential of destroying the human race. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:2780] Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 99-02-01 16:18:29 EST, you write: << Does anyone know of any reliable information on the genesis and epidemiology of HIV? The fact that it disproportionately attacks blacks, gays, drug addicts and the poor is just a little too convenient for me. I know there is lot of cons

[PEN-L:2779] Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 99-02-01 13:57:02 EST, you write: << I very much agree with this post by Louis Pro. I just wonder if to be precise we should say "human life is doomed". Of course, that is the main life form we are concerned about. >> there are a number of biologists, virologists and other o

[PEN-L:2784] Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Eric Nilsson
Bill wrote, >...looking for causes for union decline in endogenous economic > phenomena is kind of silly when you have such glaring evidence > that a concerted political effort was made to destroy them > precisely in the way Ellen describes. I guess the above comment was a response

[PEN-L:2785] Re: Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
>As to economists -- one of the egregious failures of the discipline is that it >does not recognize the interaction between the human condition and economy. >For instance, now that AFrica is DEpopulating because of the aids epidemic, >the lack of articles addressing why poverty is no longer being

[PEN-L:2776] Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, February 1, 1999 at 12:47:19 (-0800) Ellen Dannin writes: >... >I'd love to argue these chicken and egg issues all day, but unfortunately >I've got classes to prep for. In this particular case, the economy did not >have that much impact on changing the interpretation of the laws (at least

[PEN-L:2782] Re: Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Ellen Dannin
-Original Message- From: William S. Lear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: [PEN-L:2776] Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers >I have to agree with Ellen: looking for causes for union decline in >endogeno

[PEN-L:2744] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 questions

1999-02-01 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penners, Michael's questions got this layperson thinking about parallels in our time: y'know, about the hideous things that happen to the world economy when huge hedge funds muck around with one area of the economy purely to extract goodies from what consequently happens elsewhere in the ec

[PEN-L:2778] Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Here! Here! Ellen is absolutely correct. Ellen Dannin wrote: > In a good number, the issue the employer creates impasse on is > management rights, collection of union dues, elimination of seniority, > "merit" raises -- issues I refer to as "control" issues, because they are > more about asserti

[PEN-L:2777] LABOUR LEADERS TO TARGET NEW ROUND OF GLOBAL TRADE TALKS (fwd)

1999-02-01 Thread michael
Forwarded message: Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:31:35 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: LABOUR LEADERS TO TARGET NEW ROUND OF GLOBAL TRADE TALKS X-UID: 6925 The Toronto StarJanuary 31, 1999 LABOU

[PEN-L:2772] Re: Re: Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Lehman
Dear Ellen, I don't doubt for one second the fact that we don't have any labor laws in this country to speak of except for a few pieces of New Deal legislation still on the books. All employment, unless covered by a union contract, "is at will." Your employer is not mandated by law to provide he

[PEN-L:2773] RE: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Fellows, Jeffrey
Why should the relation between socioeconomic status and HIV/AIDS be any different than it is for another other illness and injury? -Original Message- From: Sam Pawlett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [P

[PEN-L:2775] Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:36 PM 2/1/99 -0800, you wrote: >Disease and blowback. In repsonse to the posts by Brad and Jim, I remember a >semester ago talking about poverty to my class. Many listened politely for >fear of offending the instructor rather than out of interest. Then, I spoke of >pockets of poverty bree

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1999-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Disease and blowback. In repsonse to the posts by Brad and Jim, I remember a semester ago talking about poverty to my class. Many listened politely for fear of offending the instructor rather than out of interest. Then, I spoke of pockets of poverty breeding diseases, such as t.b., which are be

[PEN-L:2763] Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Lehman
Dear Ellen, If your employer would put up a map with a red arrow on it pointing to Latin America or Asia, I'm sure you would get the meaning. Your email pal, Tom L. Ellen Dannin wrote: > >Eric Nilsson > > *** > >"... we find estimates of the effect of insecurity on wages > >that would be larg

[PEN-L:2760] Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Louis Proyect
To be even more precise, I was in between solving a problem on one AIX box and getting ready to fix one on another. Didn't have time to run it through my grammar-checker. At 01:56 PM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >I very much agree with this post by Louis Pro. I just wonder if to be precise we should

[PEN-L:2758] Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Charles Brown
I very much agree with this post by Louis Pro. I just wonder if to be precise we should say "human life is doomed". Of course, that is the main life form we are concerned about. Charles Brown >>> Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/01 12:27 PM >>> If Marxists can not understand these contrad

[PEN-L:2771] Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Sam Pawlett
Does anyone know of any reliable information on the genesis and epidemiology of HIV? The fact that it disproportionately attacks blacks, gays, drug addicts and the poor is just a little too convenient for me. I know there is lot of conspiracy theory around HIV _AIDS and the Doctors of Death_ by

[PEN-L:2770] Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Sam Pawlett
Tom Walker wrote: > Michael Perelman wrote, > > >In other words, we are so intent on mis[measuring] monetary measures that we > >forget the real matters of importance. Sadly, as Louis's post reminds us, we > >only take notice of the "real issues" when it seems to come back and hit us > >person

[PEN-L:2769] 2 Questions

1999-02-01 Thread Rob Parenteau
Michael - I may be wrong, but most productivity data I have seen is measured in real or inflation adjusted terms. In your terms, bushels of wheat, not dollar value of bushels of wheat. Maybe TFP is calculated on a nominal sales revenue basis, but that would be unconventional. As I understand it, a

[PEN-L:2768] Re: Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Ellen Dannin
>It might be offered that, for the 1990s, an underlying _cause_ of the >(further) decline in union power is increased employment insecurity. The >same article I cited in my previous message indicates that union workers have >have seen a greater increase in employment insecurity than non-union >wor

[PEN-L:2767] REAL far gone

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Walker
BRAZIL'S REAL AT R$2 FRIDAY, 40% DEVALUATION SINCE JANUARY 12: FT. regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:2766] bejesus saves

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Walker
1998 SAVINGS RATE 0.5%, LOWEST SINCE -2.1% IN 1933. regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:2752] Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Louis Proyect
In today's NY Times (February 1, 1999), Lawrence K. Altman reports that scientists have discovered the origin of the AIDS virus in a subspecies of chimpanzee called Pan troglodytes troglodytes. The virus was transmitted to humans through exposure to blood in hunting or meat handling. Although th

[PEN-L:2765] Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Eric Nilsson
Ellen wrote: >I'd like to add in one possible source of weakness in wage demands comes >from both the decline in union membership and also changes in the >interpretation of the NLRA that have made it easier for employers to impose >their terms and very difficult for unions to make stro

[PEN-L:2764] Re: Re: Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Ellen Dannin
Obviously there are a lot of pieces to the puzzle. All I'm doing is pointing out one. It is interesting to speculate how union weakness feeds into a lot of facets of life today. Were unions a credible force, would we have NAFTA and employer ability to draw arrows? The doctrine I mentioned is a pow

[PEN-L:2762] Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 questions

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:00 AM 2/2/99 +1100, Rob wrote: >I'm guessing total factor productivity is wrong in as far as it frames the >actual producer as but a factor of production - one of them little ways our >order unconsciously factors its bankrupt ethics/values into its 'objective >science', eh? The problems wit

[PEN-L:2761] Re: Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
Michael P. writes: >Aids is an important issue, but without minimizing the importance of aids [I >lost a wonderful cousin only a year ago] we should keep in mind that many more >people die from poverty around the globe -- but poverty will never get the >affluent's attention like the personal threa

[PEN-L:2759] Re: Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Ellen Dannin
>Eric Nilsson *** >"... we find estimates of the effect of insecurity on wages >that would be large enough to explain most of the puzzle >of slow wage growth in the 1990s." (page 39) *** I'd like to add in one possible source of weakness in wage demands comes from both the decline in union me

[PEN-L:2748] BLS Daily Report

1999-02-01 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE4DFB.A4C3B0E0 BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JANUARY 29, 1999 __Private industry wages rose 3.9 percent in 1998, the same increase as the

[PEN-L:2757] Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, >In other words, we are so intent on mis[measuring] monetary measures that we >forget the real matters of importance. Sadly, as Louis's post reminds us, we >only take notice of the "real issues" when it seems to come back and hit us >personally -- as with the case of dise

[PEN-L:2756] Job insecurity, wages, and computers

1999-02-01 Thread Eric Nilsson
>From Aaronson and Sullivan, "The Decline of Job Security in the 1990s: Displacement, Anxiety, and their Effect on Wage Growth," _Economic Perspectives_ (Fed Bank of Chicago), First Quarter 1998: "Suprisingly, the results suggest that workers in industries that are more computer intensive are le

Re: [PEN-L:2726] Re: book on global economic institutions

1999-02-01 Thread Anthony D'Costa
For those who are more production oriented, try Peter Dicken's "Global Shift" (written from a political geography angle, excellent text). More sophisticated edited volumes: Boyer and Drache "States against Markets: the limits of globalization"; Berger and Dore: National Diversity and Global Capit

[PEN-L:2755] Re: Re: AIDS

1999-02-01 Thread Brad De Long
> >Aids is an important issue, but without minimizing the importance of aids [I >lost a wonderful cousin only a year ago] we should keep in mind that many more >people die from poverty around the globe -- but poverty will never get the >affluent's attention like the personal threat of aids. >-- >

[PEN-L:2747] Medvedev in Russia

1999-02-01 Thread Charles Brown
>From Mark Jones: [This to my mind extraordinary eulogy to Mr Primakov by Soviet historian and communist Roy Medvedev suggests to me that Primakov has decided to run for president of Russia; and that Yeltsin's departure from the scene must be imminent. The fact that Medvedev could pen such a pi

[PEN-L:2746] RE: Tom Walker's election

1999-02-01 Thread Max Sawicky
Who? > > Early returns from exit polls show Tom Walker nosing ahead in the > NEXT-CITY election. > > Gene Coyle >

[PEN-L:2754] Re: Chimpanzees, AIDS and ecology

1999-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis's post was excellent. I might only add that recent stories indicate that similar problems are cropping up elsewhere. People are speculating about the harmful organisms that might be release with the destruction of the coral reefs. We have also seen tropical diseases migrating North with g

[PEN-L:2753] Re: 2 questions

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman wrote, >Jim, Good question. Only to be able to make sense of what the bogus economists >are saying. > >Jim Devine wrote: > -- snip -- >> >> Michael, why do you care about total factor productivity? it's a concept >> based on bogus assumptions. Whoa! Hold on a minute there. Ar

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1999-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim, Good question. Only to be able to make sense of what the bogus economists are saying. Jim Devine wrote: > At 01:33 PM 1/31/99 -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: > >Peter, no. It was capital deepening, but the productivity indexes are based > >on dollars. Since output prices were plummeting,

[PEN-L:2749] Re: Re: Re: Re: 2 questions

1999-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:33 PM 1/31/99 -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: >Peter, no. It was capital deepening, but the productivity indexes are based >on dollars. Since output prices were plummeting, total factor productivity >looked weak. Michael, why do you care about total factor productivity? it's a concept base

[PEN-L:2745] Layard?

1999-02-01 Thread Tom Walker
Is anyone familiar with Layard, Nickell, and Jackman, _Unemployment: Macroeconomic Performance and the Labour Market_? I would welcome your comments. regards, Tom Walker