[PEN-L:2855] Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread sokol
At 10:48 PM 2/1/99 -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: Build gated communities? One of my favorite quotes, which I think I've posted here before: "I think it must be conceded that it is possible to create a society in which the response to market failure is not a swing to socialism, but an exacerbation

[PEN-L:2856] Re: Re: Elgin marbles, museums, etc.

1999-02-03 Thread jf noonan
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Sam Pawlett wrote: Hitchens has a book on tyeh Elgin marbles doesn't he? SP Yes he has. It is mentioned in the LF article which, coincidently, I just finished reading at lunch. It was re-issued by Verso in 1997. Louis Proyect wrote: This discussion about

[PEN-L:2857] Re: Re: Bladerunner

1999-02-03 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote Luckily, L.A. isn't as bad as Bladerunner yet. Of course, I live in a pretty good place... Sam writes: My experience of LA is limited to the areas around the bus and train stations. Kinda scary. People vomiting in the streets. A Salvadorean cabbie told me that there a lot of sweatshops

[PEN-L:2859] Re: Major slump coming?

1999-02-03 Thread sokol
At 10:44 AM 2/3/99 -0500, Louis Proyect quoted: Why have profits started to fall? As Marx explained, capitalists cannot go on increasing profits because of an inherent contradiction in the capitalist mode of production. Profits come from the surplus value extracted from the labour power of those

[PEN-L:2861] Discussing the Heaven's Gate mass suicide with a friend

1999-02-03 Thread valis
. your thought about the organic interplay/interdependence between the scientific rush up the hill and the cult's rush down into the deep six is like a hot-fudge sundae rush to my brain. thanks. i sure miss the good old days of my

[PEN-L:2862] ***SOROS SELLS RUSSIA, BUYS BRAZIL***

1999-02-03 Thread valis
BBCWednesday, February 3, 1999 Published at 16:46 GMT IMF talks calm Brazil's markets Arminio Fraga Neto arrives for work Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso has met with senior negotiators from the International Monetary Fund who are hammering out

[PEN-L:2865] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 99-02-03 20:33:43 EST, you write: Have a read of some of Octavia Butler's science fiction. In some such as Parable of the Sower and Clay's Ark we get to see the latter days of just those gated communities as disease and social oppression spill over their walls. Ellen

[PEN-L:2860] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think such a response to crisis is "human nature" or merely a form of behavior that is specific to social-historical conditions that prevail in this country? Who knows for sure, but I suspect that a certain tendency to ignore unpleasantness or underestimate risk

[PEN-L:2858] Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread sokol
At 11:52 PM 2/2/99 -0500, Doug Henwood wrote: It's very hard to persuade affluent Americans that the problems of the poor can be their problems too someday, or that ecological crisis could have any bearing on them. No doubt many, even most, people who drive SUVs consider themselves

[PEN-L:2854] Re: Elgin marbles, museums, etc.

1999-02-03 Thread Sam Pawlett
Hitchens has a book on tyeh Elgin marbles doesn't he? SP Louis Proyect wrote: This discussion about Andrew Mellon, Warhol, etc. reminds me of the article in the latest Lingua Franca on the Elgin Marbles, which are a frieze from the Parthenon that the British seized in the 19th century. The

[PEN-L:2853] Re: Bladerunner3.0.5.32.19990201152147.00e735f0@pop.qut.edu.au3.0.1.32.19990201122711.00b29da0@popserver.panix.com3.0.3.32.19990201110822.006ce850@lmumail.lmu.eduv04011707b2dc25721b22@[166.84.250.86]v04011708b2dcc6bf70f7@[166.84.250.86]v04011713b2dd853ae263@[166.84.250.86] 3.0.3.32.19990203112405.006beedc@lmumail.lmu.edu

1999-02-03 Thread Sam Pawlett
Jim Devine wrote: ...I don't think the dystopia of Bladerunner is that fanciful. Luckily, L.A. isn't as bad as Bladerunner yet. Of course, I live in a pretty good place (Culver City, a racially-integrated middle-class minicity in the middle of L.A., which unfortunately has an

[PEN-L:2826] Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread William S. Lear
On Tue, February 2, 1999 at 23:52:24 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: William S. Lear wrote: .. However, I don't see how your last sentence follows from this. First, how does it follow, and second, what exactly do you mean? Who exactly are you referring to and could you give us an example? It's

[PEN-L:2831] Fwd: stripes for the backs of foolsboundary=part0_918050802_boundary

1999-02-03 Thread EST
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_918050802_boundary The use of religion to mark Pikanii Children in Canada for the depths of hell. Copyright 1999 by Long Standing Bear Chief "Judgement is prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of

[PEN-L:2836] Major slump coming?

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
(This comes from the web page of the Militant Labor group in Great Britain, a small Trotskyist group led by octogenarian Ted Grant. They do come up with some interesting economic analyses, although biased in the 'catastrophist' direction.) 1999: the start of the long economic winter "At

[PEN-L:2839] FWD: Andre Gunder Frank's new book

1999-02-03 Thread William S. Lear
James Blaut sent me the following review of Frank's new book. Since the topic came up, I thought I'd pass it along. Bill --- start of forwarded message --- Bill: Yes! ReORIENT is well worth reading. I did a review of it. Here goes... Jim *

[PEN-L:2827] Re: Re: postmodernism and neoclassical economics

1999-02-03 Thread rc-am
-Original Message- From: Peter Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 3 February 1999 5:00 Subject: [PEN-L:2825] Re: postmodernism and neoclassical economics I'll leave it to others to compare pomo with GET. I find it interesting that

[PEN-L:2842] BLS Daily Report

1999-02-03 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE4F99.E409CB40 BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 1999 The administration is seeking additional funding for the Bureau of Labor

[PEN-L:2852] Elgin marbles, museums, etc.

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
This discussion about Andrew Mellon, Warhol, etc. reminds me of the article in the latest Lingua Franca on the Elgin Marbles, which are a frieze from the Parthenon that the British seized in the 19th century. The Greeks want it back, but the British refuse, implying that they knew how to take

[PEN-L:2851] Re: Vampires (was: Common sense will sink us yet)

1999-02-03 Thread Michael Hoover
a single creature, which I may add, could be seen as the epitome of capitalism - soulless industrial magnates wandering in search of profits, and sucking people dry in the process. Wojtek as Marx wrote: 'Capital is dead labour, that, vampire-like, only lives by sucking living labour, and

[PEN-L:2837] Frank's Re-ORIENT

1999-02-03 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
A year ago an abstract of Andre Gunder Frank's new book, Re-Orient (1998) was posted in pen-l. It was Frank's own "nutshell" version of his argument which he had sent to various other lists. My reaction after reading it was: `here goes Frank again with another argument devoid of theoretical

[PEN-L:2846] Re: postmodernism and neoclassical economics

1999-02-03 Thread Sam Pawlett
Odd. Neoclassical economics, as I learned it, presents itself as value free hence no commitment to equality. A pareto optimal situation may be an extremely unequal one. Nc economics and postmodernism have different roots. Neoclassical economics in good old British empiricism and postmodernism in

[PEN-L:2845] Re: I was really not in favor of a revolution

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Tom Lehman: The deal was Mellon would provide for the National Art gallery in exchange for charges against him being forgotten. The public mood at the time would probably have had old Andy sharing a cell with Al Capone. Interesting. By the way, Henry Liu posted this to the Marxism list, which

[PEN-L:2844] Vampires (was: Common sense will sink us yet)

1999-02-03 Thread sokol
At 04:17 PM 2/2/99 -0600, valis quoted: I've been thinking a lot about addiction lately, not because I work for a nonprofit company that does drug, alcohol and tobacco prevention, but because a priest friend of mine remarked the other day that the vampire is, or rather evokes, the archetype

[PEN-L:2830] Fw: vote

1999-02-03 Thread Frank Durgin
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_01BE4F47.C48E8760 -- From: Bob Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] pedwichl [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rick and peg parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED]; william b hoover[EMAIL PROTECTED] hover; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

[PEN-L:2849] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back

1999-02-03 Thread jf noonan
On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Sam Pawlett wrote: Blade Runner! Galactic! The flame that burns twice as bright lasts half as long. The original or the directors cut? I think the directors cut makes the fact that Harrison Ford was an android more transparent.I don't think the dystopia of Bladerunner

[PEN-L:2838] I was really not in favor of a revolution

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, February 3, 1999 Paul Mellon, Patrician Champion of Art and National Gallery, Dies By JOHN RUSSELL Paul Mellon, the patrician art collector who tenaciously turned philanthropy into his personal art form, above all through his stewardship of the National Gallery of Art, died on

[PEN-L:2843] Re: BLS Daily Report

1999-02-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Richardson_D forwarded from the BLS: BLS has asked for $7 million to complete the revisions to the CPI to make it reflect more accurately cost-of-living changes Wanna bet that means a still-lower CPI? Doug

[PEN-L:2833] Re: Re: virtuous circles

1999-02-03 Thread Ellen T. Frank
RE: The failure of "Keynesian" policies. "But individual initiative will only be adequate when reasonable calculation is supplemented by animal spirits, so that the though of ultimate loss which often overtakes pioneers...is put aside This means, unfortuantely, not only that

[PEN-L:2832] Re: Andy Warhol

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Gerald Levy wrote: spam. No, you are quite wrong. The career of Andy Warhol is very instructive for radical economists since it gets to the heart of commodity production in a sphere not ordinarily analyzed. It is very sad that you lack the intellectual background

[PEN-L:2847] Re: Re: Re: Re: AIDS and the blow back3.0.5.32.19990201152147.00e735f0@pop.qut.edu.au3.0.1.32.19990201122711.00b29da0@popserver.panix.com3.0.3.32.19990201110822.006ce850@lmumail.lmu.eduv04011707b2dc25721b22@[166.84.250.86]v04011708b2dcc6bf70f7@[166.84.250.86] v04011713b2dd853ae263@[166.84.250.86]

1999-02-03 Thread Sam Pawlett
Doug Henwood wrote: William S. Lear wrote: No they don't but I think you're underestimating the preference of the privileged to insulate themselves as much as possible from a problem rather than facing it head on. From the first, the response to AIDS has been to ignore its threat to

[PEN-L:2828] Re: Andy Warhol

1999-02-03 Thread Gerald Levy
spam.

[PEN-L:2841] Fwd: stripes for the backs of fools

1999-02-03 Thread Bill Burgess
A different explanation: These stripes sound like the scratches made for innoculations against smallpox, or was it polio? I faintly remember a little metal instrument with serrated edges, that left little parallel marks, though it was on our shoulders, not backsides. If not properly cared for,

[PEN-L:2834] Re: Re: Andy Warhol

1999-02-03 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Louis: I think you post on Warhol is very insightful. They are people who look at Warhol and think of spam. And then there are people who look at sapm and think of Warhol. I find the latter more interesting. Henry Louis Proyect wrote: Gerald Levy wrote:

[PEN-L:2835] Re: stripes for the backs of fools

1999-02-03 Thread Louis Proyect
(J.R. Miller, "Shingwauk's Vision," pp. 184-188): Writing about the 'Basic Concepts and Objectives' of Canada's Indian policy in 1945, an official of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs put his finger squarely on the motivation behind residential schools. Noting Ottawa's desire to promote

[PEN-L:2850] Re: Fwd: stripes for the backs of fools

1999-02-03 Thread James Michael Craven
Bill, That explanation was considered (official position of the Curches was that the scratches were for TB testing) Out of 20 pysicians in Alberta randoming consulted, not one said that these marks could have been related to any known past or present medical procedure or test). Further,

[PEN-L:2840] Re: I was really not in favor of a revolution

1999-02-03 Thread Tom Lehman
Dear Lou, It's common knowledge in the Pittsburgh area and has been reported on numerous occasions in the Pittsburgh newspapers, that Andrew Mellon facing income tax evasion charges from the federal government made a deal with the Roosevelt administration to avoid prosecution. The deal was