[PEN-L:5761] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wall St running out of steam?

1999-04-23 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Doug, No doubt you're right - you usually are on these things, but consider this (yeah, I've been watching the telly again). America's seven million day traders make up 25 per cent of transactions - a fact not unrelated to the fact they pop in and out of stocks in minutes. Many also sit

[PEN-L:5819] (Fwd) MORALITY? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

1999-04-23 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:47:50 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MORALITY? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH! The Guardian

[PEN-L:5821] Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Re:Golf

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Lehman
I have been noticing more reports of unpleasantness on the golf courses of America the last few years. Whether this is new or was unreported on in the past is an open question. In toady's litigious society it just maybe a sign of the times. So far it hasn't happened on the pro-tour, except for

[PEN-L:5822] The Big Bang of '81?

1999-04-23 Thread valis
From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Are We Heading Towards Another Vietnam? [from:] Economic Reform, Volume 11, No. 5 May 1999 Are We Heading Towards Another Vietnam? (Below is the key paragraph in this article. Would someone take a crack at filling

[PEN-L:5823] Re: Re: Re: High school

1999-04-23 Thread Carrol Cox
Back in '69 or so I ran across a song (from someone in the GI movement, but I don't know where it originated) one of the lines of which, in the first version i encountered, was They send our kids to school they're just like prisons. Later I came across a copy of the Berkely Barb which

[PEN-L:5825] Golf, Economics of Gambling, Clinton

1999-04-23 Thread Ken Hanly
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --A5D0BC136A0E785990DCFD36 I guess this is on topic. Cheers, Ken Hanly --A5D0BC136A0E785990DCFD36 Subject: Not just another frog story A man takes the day off work and decides to go out golfing. He is on the second

[PEN-L:5826] Clinton on latest Serb offer

1999-04-23 Thread William S. Lear
Briefly saw Clinton on CNN last night saying "Milosevic" had made some sort of offer for an international presence "for the first time" or some such. Has anyone else been following this story? Why has nobody raised the obvious question as to how this could be the first offer if the Serb

[PEN-L:5827] Spell check genie?

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Walker
Can anyone explain HOW the spell checker relentlessly tells the truth about peoples' names? I just checked the piece I'm writing on the lump-of-labour and the neo-classical "social welfare function" and the spell checker advised me that Samuelson was SHAMELESS. regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:5828] Clinton on latest Serb offer

1999-04-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Has anyone else been following this story? Why has nobody raised the obvious question as to how this could be the first offer if the Serb parliament made an almost identical offer (I think) on March 23? Bill Financial Times (London) April 23, 1999, Friday LONDON EDITION 4 West cautious on

[PEN-L:5829] planning ahead

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
If NATO's planning for the war against Yugoslavia seems a bit slapdash, take heart: the alliance can still be very detail-oriented. According to the WP, NATO spent months of research and $70,000 on the table it will use at its summit today. (from Scott Shuger's "Today's Papers" column in SLATE

[PEN-L:5830] Re: Re: Re: Re: High school

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:17 AM 4/23/99 -0500, Carrol wrote: Back in '69 or so I ran across a song (from someone in the GI movement, but I don't know where it originated) one of the lines of which, in the first version i encountered, was They send our kids to school they're just like prisons. This seems

[PEN-L:5833] RE: bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Max Sawicky
BTW2, there is nothing wrong with golfers _per se_. (Some of my best friends) Golf doesn't involve much in the way of exercise, so the golfers are essentially taking a stroll in the artificial countryside while fooling themselves that they're staying in shape. Not at all. We know it

[PEN-L:5835] Jim Devine on the Media and Golf

1999-04-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim Devine wrote: As I drove to work this morning, listing to US Nationalist Public Radio, I was struck by the explanations given by the reporter, Silvia Pojoli (sp?), for the US/NATO bombing of the Serbian television station. Not only did it seem that she had abandoned journalistic

[PEN-L:5837] The Courage of Tony Blair

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Walker
Mr. Blair, like all genuine cowards, is brave about spilling other people's blood. Blair spills only bloody words. In olden times, the king led his troops into battle to give them courage. Perhaps Mr. Blair will send a video of himself on horseback. Mr Blair said in Chicago: "We cannot let the

[PEN-L:5838] BALKANS (fwd)

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Walker
The European Marches against unemployment group together numerous organisations which may have different analyses about the Balkan war. In France, militants from trade unions and associations have drafted a text, on which we have elaborated the day of our meeting of the secretariats of the

[PEN-L:5839] Re: Jim Devine on the Media and Golf

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Lehman
I'll bet you could sell a study of golf to the golf industry. Something pompous like, The Marginal Efficiency of Capital Investment in the Golf Industry: Based on the Marginal Propensity to Consume as Correlated to Environmental Factors. Your email pal Tom L. B.A. Michael Perelman wrote:

[PEN-L:5841] RE: bombing the golf courses

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: BTW2, there is nothing wrong with golfers _per se_. (Some of my best friends) Golf doesn't involve much in the way of exercise, so the golfers are essentially taking a stroll in the artificial countryside while fooling themselves that they're staying in shape. Max writes: Not at

[PEN-L:5842] Re: (Fwd) Are We Heading Towards Another Vietnam?

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
Recently the 1984 National Security Decision Directive (NSDD 133) "United States Policy towards Yugoslavia," was released from secrecy. Applied to the United States itself, that directive would have ruled out Roosevelt's program for lifting the US out of the Great Depression. It should

[PEN-L:5843] Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
I appreciate William's forwarding of this message from Belgrade. It certainly speaks eloquently to the insanity of the bombing and what it is doing. OTOH, it also reveals the kind of deluded thinking that lies behind Serbian nationalism. We discover a Serbian state that has allegedly

[PEN-L:5844] How Iatrogenic Economics Killed the Standard of Living

1999-04-23 Thread Tom Walker
I've posted a draft of part one of this essay at: http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/satanic.htm How Iatrogenic Economics Killed the Standard of Living "Any prescribed set of ends is grist for the economist's unpretentious deductive mill, and often he can be expected to reveal that the prescribed

[PEN-L:5845] Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:23 PM 4/23/99 -0400, Barkley wrote: This "heart of Serbia" argument is just the worst sort of pathetic drivel. I am very sorry that these suffering people are so fixated on such deluded garbage. One problem is the US/NATO-imposed suffering is pushing them to embrace that kind of deluded

[PEN-L:5846] Progressive Response: Kosovo Options

1999-04-23 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
-- The Progressive Response 23 April 1999 Vol. 3, No. 15 Editor: Tom Barry -- The Progressive Response is a publication of Foreign

[PEN-L:5849] Re: Re: Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Doug, I'm afraid I completely agree... Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 3:11 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5847] Re: Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now] Jim Devine wrote: At

[PEN-L:5851] Re: Jim Devine on the Media and Golf

1999-04-23 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 09:15 AM 4/23/99 -0700, Michael Perelman wrote: Golf courses employee an enormous amount of toxic materials, especially pesticides and herbicides. When I was living in Monterey, CA, each time I drove through the golf courses of Pebble Beach, I thought that when the revolution finally comes

[PEN-L:5853] Enlightenment

1999-04-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Recently I submitted an article to CNS on "Harvey, Leibniz and Marx". As background research I delved into the 30 years war that took place on German soil in the mid-17th century and which traumatized an entire generation of Germans, including Leibniz himself. This war was the most devastating on

[PEN-L:5854] Re: Re: Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:23 PM 4/23/99 -0400, Barkley wrote: This "heart of Serbia" argument is just the worst sort of pathetic drivel. I am very sorry that these suffering people are so fixated on such deluded garbage. I wrote: One problem is the US/NATO-imposed suffering is pushing them to embrace that kind

[PEN-L:5855] Re: bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Michael Hoover
The other sinister act was bombing Milosevic's house, which Serbs regarded as an open assassination attack. Louis Proyect for what it's worth, the US gov't has been prohibited from carrying out assassinations and assassination attempts since Gerald Ford signed Executive Order 11095 (I think)

[PEN-L:5858] Re: Re: Re: Race, Gender, and Guns (was Re: Re: Re: Highschool)

1999-04-23 Thread W. Kiernan
S Pawlett wrote: W. Kiernan wrote: As far as I can see, those two typified or exemplified nothing outside the classic textbook symptom list of paranoia. I see. Time for a little schizo bashing. Why not? They can't defend themselves, in fact they usually can't even understand what

[PEN-L:5857] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: High school

1999-04-23 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: This seems reminiscent of the old New Left pamphlet "the Student as Nigger" and the more sophisticated book by Sam Bowles and an earlier incarnation of Herb Gintis, SCHOOLING IN CAPITALIST AMERICA. That line was. (I posted it just for the difference between "our kids" and

[PEN-L:5859] U.S. Military and Its Domestic Effects (was Race, Gender, andGuns)

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
WDK wrote: For what it's worth, my opinion is you're all off base about broad underlying motives (such as racism, sexism, militarism, etc.) of Klebold and Harris. I don't argue that the above are underlying 'motives,' but I think it is important to think of, for instance, the likely effects that

[PEN-L:5860] Re: Re: bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael "Not-Mike" Hoover wrote: The other sinister act was bombing Milosevic's house, which Serbs regarded as an open assassination attack. Louis Proyect for what it's worth, the US gov't has been prohibited from carrying out assassinations and assassination attempts since Gerald Ford signed

[PEN-L:5861] Shameless use of pen-L for hospitality note

1999-04-23 Thread Charles Brown
Michael, How are you enjoying yourself here in Detroit and the Conference ? Is your hotel top still spinning ? Charles Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/22/99 12:47AM Wherein the further left swallows its own tail . . . Socialist Workers Party (US) denounces

[PEN-L:5862] Re: bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim Devine wrote: As I drove to work this morning, listing to US Nationalist Public Radio, I was struck by the explanations given by the reporter, Silvia Pojoli (sp?), for the US/NATO bombing of the Serbian television station. Not only did it seem that she had abandoned journalistic standards in

[PEN-L:5866] Yugo Methodists Speak (from United Methodist News Service)

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Date: 4/22/99 2:55:31 PM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NewsDesk) Yugoslavian clergy have different view of war April 22, 1999 News media contact: Tim Tanton*(615)742-5470*Nashville, Tenn. 10-21-71B{216} NOTE: This report may be used with UMNS stories #217 and #218. By

[PEN-L:5868] The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Condemns theAmerican-NATO Aggression on Yugoslaviapetri.1@osu.edu

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
From: Abu Nasr After three weeks of delay due to third world conditions, I am able now to provide readers with an official statement by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine regarding the Yugoslav conflict. The statement, as carried in the 11 April 1999 issue of the PFLP's magazine

[PEN-L:5872] STATEMENT OF CONCERNED SERBIAN ANTI-NATIONALIST CITIZENS;Winnipeg Ottawa Labor Councils on Balkans

1999-04-23 Thread meisenscher
IN THIS MESSAGE: STATEMENT OF CONCERNED SERBIAN ANTI-NATIONALIST CITIZENS; Winnipeg Ottawa Labor Councils on Balkans TO ALL CONCERNED This is a statement of the leading liberal (anti-nationalist) voices of Serbia concerning NATO aggression on Yugoslavia. You are free to translate it, publish

[PEN-L:5873] Re: Shameless use of pen-L for hospitality note

1999-04-23 Thread meisenscher
Hi, Good to see you again. I'm glad the rain has stopped, although I never got out of the hotel today. It's like old home week, catching up with friends. LN is smaller this year than last time. More later. M. At 08:46 PM 4/23/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: Michael, How are you enjoying

[PEN-L:5867] Re: 10's of thousands for peace in Italia

1999-04-23 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Forwarded by Charles: On Thursday, 22nd April, over 600 shop stewards gathered in the Milan CGIL trade union headquarters to take part in a national assembly called by forty factory councils. The meeting called on the national leadership of the three main trade union federations (CGIL,CISL and

[PEN-L:5865] 10's of thousands for peace in Italia

1999-04-23 Thread Charles Brown
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: First strike against the war in Italy (fwd) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 23 Apr 99 17:47:34 + From: Socialist Appeal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: First strike against the war in Italy First

[PEN-L:5863] Re: U.S. Military and Its Domestic Effects (wasRace, Gender, andGuns)

1999-04-23 Thread Charles Brown
What exactly are broad underlying motives ? Are they being opposed to thin surface motives ? What is being said ? That there are some other motives that are more important to understand ? What are they and why are they more important than those listed below , sexism , racism, militarism ? So,

[PEN-L:5856] Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread Thomas Kruse
At 02:23 PM 23/04/99 -0400, you wrote: I appreciate William's forwarding of this message from Belgrade. It certainly speaks eloquently to the insanity of the bombing and what it is doing. OTOH, it also reveals the kind of deluded thinking that lies behind Serbian nationalism. I had

[PEN-L:5852] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Peace Agreement or a Kosovo as dictated by NATO?

1999-04-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Ken, I don't think I have any serious disagreement with this post or with the arguments of Jim D. and Dough that this war is seriously exacerbating the nationalist sentiments of both the Serbs and the Albanian Kosovars. And with the scrambling of the populations and the discrediting of

[PEN-L:5848] Yuck! Yuck! Yuck!

1999-04-23 Thread Michael Hoover
forwarded by Michael Hoover New York Post®, Copyright 1999 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved. ... Ousted Compaq chief Eckhard Pfeiffer is walking away with a $278 million severance package. But he would have gotten much more - up to $418 million - if he hadn't bungled in

[PEN-L:5847] Re: Re: Re: FWD: [Fwd: Alive and well for now]

1999-04-23 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: At 02:23 PM 4/23/99 -0400, Barkley wrote: This "heart of Serbia" argument is just the worst sort of pathetic drivel. I am very sorry that these suffering people are so fixated on such deluded garbage. One problem is the US/NATO-imposed suffering is pushing them to embrace

[PEN-L:5840] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Peace Agreement or a Kosovo as dictated by NATO?

1999-04-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Ken, Sorry if I was unnecessarily cranky. This business just does not admit of any obvious or easy solutions. Partition was not so difficult in Bosnia-Herzegovina (well, a few hundred thousand people got killed first) in that although there was a lot of mixing of people it was fairly clear

[PEN-L:5836] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: High school

1999-04-23 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: At 07:17 AM 4/23/99 -0500, Carrol wrote: Back in '69 or so I ran across a song (from someone in the GI movement, but I don't know where it originated) one of the lines of which, in the first version i encountered, was They send our kids to school they're just like

[PEN-L:5834] Re: Re: Race, Gender, and Guns (was Re: Re: Re: Highschool)

1999-04-23 Thread S Pawlett
Naturally everyone is sorry about the innocent victims, and horrified, disgusted, repelled by what those two poor miserable psycho bastards Harris and Klebold did. But they're not alive any more for us to hate; fear and rage ate their minds, they went mad and now they're dead. So I, at

[PEN-L:5832] bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Louis Proyect
JIm wrote: As I drove to work this morning, listing to US Nationalist Public Radio, I was struck by the explanations given by the reporter, Silvia Pojoli (sp?), for the US/NATO bombing of the Serbian television station. Not only did it The other sinister act was bombing Milosevic's house, which

[PEN-L:5831] bombing the media

1999-04-23 Thread Jim Devine
As I drove to work this morning, listing to US Nationalist Public Radio, I was struck by the explanations given by the reporter, Silvia Pojoli (sp?), for the US/NATO bombing of the Serbian television station. Not only did it seem that she had abandoned journalistic standards in order to simply

[PEN-L:5824] Re: Re: Race, Gender, and Guns (was Re: Re: Re: Highschool)

1999-04-23 Thread Carrol Cox
"W. Kiernan" wrote: Maybe the saying is true that "schizophrenia isn't a diagnosis but a prognosis." Aw come on Bill. One of my best friends is a schizophrenic -- and several of my best friends are the parents or grandparents of schizophrenics. They're pretty nice and harmless people for

[PEN-L:5820] (Fwd) EVACUATION OF KOSOVARS HIGHLIGHTS NATO'S FAILURE

1999-04-23 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:01:29 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:EVACUATION OF KOSOVARS HIGHLIGHTS NATO'S FAILURE The Vancouver Sun

[PEN-L:5817] RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: Exchange with Michael Tomasky

1999-04-23 Thread Max Sawicky
Try not to give him any idea, Charles. Max is gonna soon retire from the grinding work of churning out unread policy papers, to spend his twilight years at a nursing home with a miniature golf course. He already had a vision of it. Yoshie If I had stayed in lit-crit I could be churning out

[PEN-L:5818] (Fwd) Are We Heading Towards Another Vietnam?

1999-04-23 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:01:42 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sid Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Are We Heading Towards Another Vietnam? From Economic Reform, Volume 11, No. 5