The discussion begun by Tom Walker and Brad De Long seems to be pointing
to an analysis of the quality of labor. Marx pointed out that we should
look not just that the extent of the working day but the intensity. New
forms of panoptic monitoring allow employers to measure keystrokes, keep
track
On Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 22:28:21 (-0700) Max Sawicky writes:
Lear:
Actually, as has been pointed out with no apparent effect on you, the
bombing has solidified Milosevic's support in the country, as anyone
could have predicted. An end to the bombing and serious negotiations
based upon
Lear:
Actually, as has been pointed out with no apparent effect on you, the
bombing has solidified Milosevic's support in the country, as anyone
could have predicted. An end to the bombing and serious negotiations
based upon different premises than yours (that is, accept our offer or
we
4 questions:
Does "cessation" mean withdrawal of Serbian military and police from Kosovo?
Is the peace-keeping force armed, and with what? So far the Serbian govt
has said it will accept no such foreign armed bodies (I posted the link
attesting to this the other day).
Does "full autonomy"
Doug, in looking at your U.S. poverty rate time series, it looks
more like the poverty rate peaked in 1993 and then began to
decline, albeit in a somewhat "sticky" fashion. It doesn't look
like poverty has increased with the growth we've been seeing.
This seems on its face rather consistent
Brad DeLong wrote:
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
to which Ian Murray replied:
Tell that to migrant farm workers
I think it was corporal punishment.
Gene Coyle
Tom Walker wrote:
Walesa replied:
But as you know,
the rank I acquired in the army is corporal, so this is the strategy of a
corporal. However, some corporals prove to be very good commanders
Any informatin on which _particular_
A memorial service for Lynn will be held at 4pm, this Friday, April 30,
1999, in the Cultural Center Theater, Axinn Library, Hofstra
University, Hempstead NY. His daughter has begun a scholarship. See
below. June Zaccone
The life of Lynn Turgeon had a profound effect on the academic and
cultural
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
Brad DeLong
Tell that to migrant farm workers who grow your pesticide infested
On Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 10:43:40 (-0400) Max Sawicky writes:
Firstly, most of us opposed the bombing because it could not, in
itself, possibly realise the professed ends in whose name it was
conducted. People were gonna get killed, maimed, dispossessed and
dislocated for no reason that
On Tuesday, April 27, 1999 at 11:20:06 (-0700) Tom Walker writes:
Tom L. notes:
Tomorrow, April 28th is workers memorial day. Workers Memorial Day is
dedicated
to the people who get killed and injured everyday on the job.
Tom K. wrote:
On April 28th 1987, Ben Linder was out doing his job:
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Brad De Long wrote:
Also, industrial capitalism has led to a qualitative change in the nature
and pace of work, often for the worse. In addition to Thompson, see the
work of Herbert Gutman. No more drinking on the job, for instance.
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
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Woodward, Susan L. 1995. Balkan Tragedy: Chaos and Dissolution after
the Cold War.
Just so that it is clear to all on the list, I forward many of the
postings I receive from Sid Sniad who used to be but is no longer
on this list. I do not necessary agree with them either with regard
to the 'facts' they convey or with their interpretation. However, I
think they all are
Thanks to all on the list who answered my request for references
on the economic impact of the Vietnam war. I have passed on all
your suggestions, papers and ideas to the student.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
Jim Devine wrote:
I didn't say that the slaves got worse off due to freedom. In the US,
the
case which I'm most familiar with, they definitely better off (at least
in
the short run), as their work hours per year fell significantly
(according
to Ransom Sutch). My point was that the shift
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Tom Walker wrote:
Doug wrote:
before his
Monica-induced spurt in popularity in 1998.
Shame on you, Doug! Pen-l is not a bathroom wall. ;-)
Nor a Gap dress.
Doug
Doug wrote:
before his
Monica-induced spurt in popularity in 1998.
Shame on you, Doug! Pen-l is not a bathroom wall. ;-)
regards,
Tom Walker
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm
Yoshie,
Who issued this and when? Sounds pretty
reasonable. Will the peacekeeping force be
armed or not? Last I heard out of Russia was
that His Excellency was resisting the idea that
the force be armed and that was the core of his
disagreement with Chernomyrdin.
Barkley Rosser
Charles Brown wrote:
Chas: I heard a report that Clinton's approval rating is down (different
from the polls directly on approval of the bombing).
According to Gallup, Clinton's approval rating in two April polls was 59
and 60%, down from 67% in February, and a one-poll peak of 73% last
The Yugo government's peace proposal consists of the following points:
1) the cessation of all military operations;
2) the creation of a peacekeeping force in the region to be made up of
several nations, excepting those taking part in the conflict;
3) the return of refugees;
4) their right to
Michael Hoover wrote:
The AFL-CIO calculates that a worker earning $25,000 in 1994 would get
$138,500 today if his pay grew as fast as his boss's.
Yes, yes, I know it's only a propaganda number to make a point. But think
how much environmental devastation would occur if each worker's pay did
Walesa replied:
But as you know,
the rank I acquired in the army is corporal, so this is the strategy of a
corporal. However, some corporals prove to be very good commanders
Any informatin on which _particular_ corporal Walesa was referring to?
regards,
Tom Walker
Brad writes: That I should limit my statements to the "core" in a
core-periphery model.
Increases in demand for the products made in the periphery do often
generate a substantial increase in hours of work and intensity of
supervision: in the context of the U.S. south, no British cotton mill
You may have seen this already, but just in case you haven't Yoshie
* NATO photos of of Kosovo mass graves are fake: report
THE HAGUE, April 24 (AFP) - Several photos distributed by NATO
and said to show possible mass graves in Kosovo could be fake, the
Dutch daily Algemen Dagblad said
I should have used his name. Sorry. I just used the term "author". I guess my one
reference about a Canadian source is out of line. I was thinking that the author was
at oise (Ontario Institute for Studies in Education) not at "osu". Where is osu? Ohio
State University? I assume he must be an
ROME, April 24 (AFP) - Tens of thousands of people took to the streets
in Italian cities Saturday in rallies for a "fair peace" in Kosovo and
against racism.
In Rome, organizers said the demonstration, called by Prime Minister
Massimo D'Alema's Social Democrats, drew 150,000 people in spite of
Lou wrote:
The other problem is that Solidarity has been much too
uncritical of Soviet dissidents. In that position paper I quoted from
earlier in the day, I left out the sentence which states their support for
Polish Solidarity, a big mistake.
I hope that folks in Solidarity have by now
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
I sent a post a bit ago on how here (Cochbamba) hours are getting longer,
life is
Here's scary news about NATO bombings forwarded by my favorite
postmodernist Andy Ross (coz he looks cute and is known for wearing
_extreme_ outfits [for academics]--besides, he's a friend of Michael
Hoover's). Shall we whistle "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" now?
Oppose NATO! Better to be
Maybe not on point, but the Federal regulation of the railroads seems
clearly created with the support of the railroads. See Gabriel Kolko's
book of 1965, RAILROADS AND REGULATION. They wanted to be protected
from each other, and from cutthroat competition. It appears that
electric
The AFL-CIO calculates that a worker earning $25,000 in 1994 would get
$138,500 today if his pay grew as fast as his boss's.
The Top-Paid Chief Executives in Business Week's survey of 365 of the
largest companies in the U.S. are:
CEO/Company Total Pay (millions)
1 Michael Eisner/Walt
I took a brave stand, stating: I'm all in favor of freeing the slaves.
Then I adde:But it's not an unmixed blessing. In some places in the
Caribbean, I understand that the slave-owners freed their own slaves in
order to avoid the responsibility of keeping them alive.
Josh writes: Some thought
Anybody else see what I see when looking at the lines that make up the NATO
logo/compass rosette/gunsight graphic on the cover of the Economist? Or do I
just have a hyperactive gestalt?
regards,
Tom Walker
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm
Hanly, Just a reminder: Jeffrey Beatty wrote this, not me.
ricardo
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Tom L. notes:
Tomorrow, April 28th is workers memorial day. Workers Memorial Day is
dedicated
to the people who get killed and injured everyday on the job.
Tom K. wrote:
On April 28th 1987, Ben Linder was out doing his job: taking water
measurements on wier he had built, to determine the
Yes, I remember attending a memorial service for your pal in the late 80's
held at the Pitt school of engineering.
Two things that I recall from that memorial meeting. One was slides of the
little hydro station your friend had built. The other was a slide of an
ancient gentleman from the
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... a WSJ front-page feature reports that the "almost gentlemanly
approach" of the war's first month will change because of a key decision
ratified behind closed doors by NATO's leaders last Friday: to henceforth
endorse raids on political as well as military targets.
Max Sawicky wrote:
Well, there was an excellent letter in the Washington
Post this morning from Carol Fennelly that pointed out
that the bottom line on all this should be reducing poverty,
that all these governors and others (Clinton) are patting
themselves on the back because welfare
Jim Devine:
I'm all in favor of freeing the slaves. But it's not an unmixed
blessing. In
some places in the Caribbean, I understand that the slave-owners
freed
their own slaves in order to avoid the responsibility of keeping them
alive.
Some thought about the demographics of the Caribbean might
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/26/99 11:08PM
Speaking of such, I was at a meeting of the parents of kids with autistic
spectrum disorder (as I am so often) and someone mentioned Clinton's
hypocritical speech about Littleton concerning teaching the kids not to use
violence (often quoted on
Michael Perelman wrote:
Wasn't Laura Tyson's dissertation on Yugo?
Max Sawicky wrote:
We are interested in putting together a press release of sources on the
role of the IMF in contributing to the break-up of Yugoslavia and the
exacerbation of ethnic tensions there. (and perhaps also
Courtesy of Prof. Phillips:
The Sunday Telegraph 25
April 1999
NATO STARTED BOMBING TO HELP MILOSEVIC
by Edward Luttwak
Like I suggested last week (two weeks ago?) in "Nato and Milosevic: Lovers'
Quarrel."
It follows that a cessation of
G'day Max.
Reckon you're taking some liberties with this lot:
It follows that a cessation of bombing, the retention of the Milosevic
regime, and some kind of half-assed solution (sell-out) of Kosovo was the
U.S./NATO aim at the start. This is precisely the solution called for now
by all the
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For academics and other middle class activists graffitti is not a
choice option of communication. But for many it is the only method of
conveying a message to a large number of people. It is often a
spontaneous expression of emotion and political frustration
particularly among the young. And
Thomas Kruse wrote:
This country has a beautiful future ... but will it survive the present?
This is one of the most beautiful epigrams I have ever seen. I presume
the original was in Spanish -- and it is short enough so that even my
high school spanish might encompass it. Could you quote
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(Apologies for multiple postings).
The present
Sort of a Query.
In conversation at various times I have introduced the probably quite
outlandishly extravagant proposition that the greatest mass murderer
of the 20th century is the IMF/World Bank. And usually, either
surprisingly or not surprisingly, I have gotten at least murmurs of "You
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Having said all that, I want to offer (risk?) a reply to some of the
criticisms of NATO policy that have been offered on the lists I post to
and elsewhere over the last months. The general
April 27, 1999
Yesterday, April 26, 1999, a rally and march were held in Burlington,
Vermont, USA against the U.S. war on Yugoslavia. Approximately 100 people
attended the 45 minute rally at the University of Vermont campus and then
marched down Main Street. The destination of the march were the
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Jim Devine wrote:
Others have replied to Brad on this so I'll try not to repeat their points.
EP Thompson reminds us that the onset of capitalism led to the _rise_ in
hours worked per year. So how good capitalism looks depends on your
standard of comparison. Also, the reduction of working hours
And they are cracking down on accessing the internet on company time!
Time to organize a cyber strike!
Henry C.K. Liu
Mark Rickling wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
Others have replied to Brad on this so I'll try not to repeat their points.
EP Thompson reminds us that the onset of capitalism led
Graffitti art, like all art, includes the good and the bad. One cannot ban the
bad without also banning the good. Just go to any museum and gallery, depending
on one's taste, social/political attitude, most of the content are bad by
definition. Still, it is a price worth paying to be able to
Jim Devine wrote:
Others have replied to Brad on this so I'll try not to repeat their points.
EP Thompson reminds us that the onset of capitalism led to the _rise_ in
hours worked per year.
Very true...
Also, industrial capitalism has led to a qualitative change in the nature
and pace of
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[Burlington, VT] I am writing on behalf of the anarcho-socialist-feminist
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At 09:33 AM 4/27/99 -0700, Brad wrote:
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
I'm glad to know that it's better to be a
Thomas Kruse wrote:
Graffitti here is pretty amazing, ranging from highly political, to
personal and poetic. There is little tagging. Many people find the walls
the place to write verse; some if it is relly pretty good.
A student om mine did a research project on it and found that the
Reuters ran a story today summarizing the findings of a recent World
Bank Study. (the annual development report?):
Stiglitz:" We must be more cautious of programs that promote growth in
ways that are not sustainable or which save the economy, or at least the
exchange rate, but at the cost of
I assume you are referring to Sally Hennings?
Brad De Long wrote:
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
Brad
Jim Devine wrote:
Don't get me wrong. I'm all in favor of freeing the slaves (as long as we
don't do it by strategic bombing ;-)). But it's not an unmixed blessing. In
some places in the Caribbean, I understand that the slave-owners freed
their own slaves in order to avoid the
Although I don't have any catchy slogans to post, graffiti is fairly
common in large cities in India, and especially Calcutta. Almost the
entire election campaigns are expressed through graffities, interspersed
with some commercials for local remedies for various illnesses, rat
poisons, and
Tom L. notes:
Tomorrow, April 28th is workers memorial day. Workers Memorial Day is
dedicated
to the people who get killed and injured everyday on the job.
On April 28th 1987, Ben Linder was out doing his job: taking water
measurements on wier he had built, to determine the potential for small
Wasn't Laura Tyson's dissertation on Yugo?
Michael Perelman
can't answer above, but she wrote a monograph on Yugoslavian economic
performance in the 1970s and co-wrote one on 1980s performance...she
also wrote a book for RAND in the mid-80s on economic adjustment in
Eastern Europe...Michael
from SLATE's "Today's Papers" column, by Scott Shuger (copyright 1999,
Microsoft).
Tuesday, April 27:
... a WSJ front-page feature reports that the "almost gentlemanly
approach" of the war's first month will change because of a key decision
ratified behind closed doors by NATO's leaders last
Sam Pawlett wrote:
Reuters ran a story today summarizing the findings of a recent World
Bank Study. (the annual development report?):
.. . .
" Despite the significant gains in development, the gap between the rich
and the poor is widening and if you look at many countries income
distribution is
Brad:
You note:
I don't know about this. It seems to me that in historical
perspective--relative, say, to being a field slave at
Monticello--conditions of work here and now under modern industrial
capitalism are pretty good...
I sent a post a bit ago on how here (Cochbamba) hours are getting
Don't forget injuries and deaths from environmental and pollution causes. Remember
asbestos? Cotton picking was definitively safer.
Even today in America, the acceptable casualty rate for high rise construction is
one death per floor. I don't even want to mention caisson construction which is
At 07:40 27/04/99 -0500, you wrote:
Thomas Kruse wrote:
This country has a beautiful future ... but will it survive the present?
This is one of the most beautiful epigrams I have ever seen. I presume
the original was in Spanish -- and it is short enough so that even my
high school spanish
On the bulletin board over my computer I've got a picture of a bunch of my pals
during the 1986 unpleasantness with USX/US Steel. The guy in the center of the
picture sitting on the railroad tracks holding the American flag was a good
strong union man and an excellent and experienced craftsman.
I wrote: (The top Milosevicites would be subjected to war crimes trials,
while the winners (Clinton, Blair) would not, as usual.) Whatever
Clinton's motives for attacking Serbia, the "peace" they would impose these
days would likely be a neoliberal utopia, turning Serbia into an "emerging
At 08:08 PM 4/26/99 -0700, Jim Devive wrote:
I don't think so. Grafitti is ugly, especially in a nice neighborhood of
residential apartments; in LA it's associated with gangs, who almost noone
likes. There must be better tactics, especially since graffitti encourages
the use of simplistic
The American investment banker was at the pier of a small
coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one
fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large
yellow fin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on
the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch
Firstly, most of us opposed the bombing because it could not,
in itself,
possibly realise the professed ends in whose name it was
conducted. People
were gonna get killed, maimed, dispossessed and dislocated for no
reason
that had anything to do with NATO's crocodile tears and apple pie
Graffitti here is pretty amazing, ranging from highly political, to
personal and poetic. There is little tagging. Many people find the walls
the place to write verse; some if it is relly pretty good.
A student om mine did a research project on it and found that the artists
were not just young
That's funny, but you should remember the key official premise of this war
you're supporting, i.e. that Milosevic is the moral equivalent of
Hitler. I
The official premise is not mine. If you call refusing to denounce the
bombing, and advocating a Nato rescue of Kosovo via ground troops
Wasn't Laura Tyson's dissertation on Yugo?
I don't know about her dissertation, but one of her fields was comparative
systems, and she published on Yugoslavia.
Max Sawicky wrote:
No I didn't.
We are interested in putting together a press release of
sources on the
role of the IMF in
I presume you are aware of Michel Chossudovsky's various articles
on these subjects, and his book, "The Globalisation of Poverty,
Impacts of IMF and World Bank Reforms", Third World Network, Penang
and Zed Books, London, 1997. The book has chapters on IMF/World
Bank impacts on Rwanda and
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