[PEN-L:7227] BLS Daily Report

1999-05-26 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, MAY 25, 1999 RELEASED TODAY: In 1998, the proportion of U.S. families with at least one employed member was 82.6 percent, up 0.5 percentage point from 1997. Of the nation's 70.2 million families, 6.4 percent reported having an unemployed member, a decline of 0.6

[PEN-L:7230] David Harvey and the American Indian (RRPE article)

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
David Harvey and the American Indian In his latest book, Justice, Nature the Geography of Difference, David Harvey questions the ecological sensitivity of the American Indian, whom the Greens allegedly romanticize (Harvey 1996). We cannot conclude, he says, that American Indian practices are

[PEN-L:7231] Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in the historical larger picture, the methods of the indigenous peoples are closer to

[PEN-L:7232] Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
The idea of cultural capital certainly describes what's going on here. My only problem with Bourdieu is that he casts it all in Marxish terms, when it is really not necessary. Snobbery and mandarinism have been around forever. Can't remember the name of the film, but a few years ago there

[PEN-L:7233] White Paper--China's National Defense

1999-05-26 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
The Cox report has placed the issue of China's defense policy squarely on the front burner of US politics. In this context, it would be useful for those participating in the political discourse to be informed clearly of official Chinese policy on national defense. It is interesting that the US

[PEN-L:7236] alternatives to Nato on the Kosovo crisis

1999-05-26 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
I would appreciate it if someone forwarded a post (perhaps the one by Chomsky) on what could have been done to avoid in Kosovo what happened in Bosnia. Also Proyect once sent something on Havel which I would like to see again. I really dont have the time to examine this this issue of

[PEN-L:7239] Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
Rob Schaap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/26/99 11:18AM G'day Penners, Chas writes: It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in the

[PEN-L:7240] (Fwd) BRING NATO LEADERS TO JUSTICE - YOUR HELP NEEDED!

1999-05-26 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Sommer) To:PROGRESSIVE SOCIOLOGISTS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BRING NATO LEADERS TO JUSTICE - YOUR HELP

[PEN-L:7241] NATO question?

1999-05-26 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
This may sound like a naive question, but does anyone know what was the role, if any, of the new Eastern European NATO members in making the decision on the air campaign against Serbia? Were they even consulted, or simply learned from the CNN what the "NATO proper" had decided? wojtek

[PEN-L:7242] Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
Charles wrote: It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in the historical larger picture, the methods of the indigenous peoples are

[PEN-L:7244] Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
Charles wrote: It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in the historical larger picture, the methods of the indigenous peoples are

[PEN-L:7245] On-line pesticide novel -Forwarded

1999-05-26 Thread Tim Stroshane
Forwarded mail received from: CENTER1:City:City.smtp:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" FYI Proceeds of on-line novel to support Pesticide Action Network After researching the horror stories of pesticides poisoning communities in Mexico and on the U.S. border, Leslie Guttman was compelled to write about

[PEN-L:7248] Re: Ridicule

1999-05-26 Thread Tom Walker
a corrupt, disdainful world that is unaware of the apocalypse it is headed toward. Note the contrast with our own corrupt, disdainful world, which IS aware of the apocalypse it is headed toward and doesn't give a rusty fuck. regards, Tom Walker http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm

[PEN-L:7249] Re: Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
Agree. I will bet a lot of money that the Indian quoted did not have the European concept of "individual ownership" or "private property" in mind in the statement in dispute. In general, the indigenous peoples of North America had a different conception of their relationship to land than the

[PEN-L:7250] Re: Harvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
Comments on Louis' essay: This doesn't read like a book review as much as an essay. As an essay, it doesn't really need to have a summary of the book in question. It would also provoke a reply by Harvey, which would be useful. Bertell Ollman's ALIENATION also uses the idea of internal

[PEN-L:7251] arvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine: Are you saying that the problem with Leibniz is that he see the world (both of non-human nature and humanity) as one big harmonious totality? The Marxian vision, on the other hand, is that the totality of society suffers from the disease of class. Yes, this is very important. It is

[PEN-L:7253] Harvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
People live in cities, as do some trees and animals even. They eat food, create waste, breathe air, drink water. When I turn on my tap, I get water from a hundred miles upstate; when I turn on the light, I'm burning oil from Saudi Arabia. How can cities not be an ecosystem? Doug Because as Marx

[PEN-L:7254] Human Rights

1999-05-26 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
New York Times May 26, 1999 Op Ed - Page A33 Well, Is He a Spy -- or Not? By HOYT ZIA ASHINGTON -- After serving almost five years in the Clinton Administration, I've learned a number of things about Washington -- and one of them is how innuendo can ruin a reputation in no time.

[PEN-L:7257] Corporate Predators: New Book Announcement

1999-05-26 Thread Robert Naiman
*** NEW BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT *** CORPORATE PREDATORS: THE HUNT FOR MEGAPROFITS AND THE ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman Wealth disparity, megamergers and the resulting consolidation of corporate power,

[PEN-L:7258] Vulgar military industrial complex motives for war

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
Forward from another list CB (( The headline of an article on page 1 of the business section of the NY Times of May 19 states: "Weapons makers seek rise in Pentagon spending." The reporter states that "whatever lessons the war with Serbia may teach NATO's military planners,

[PEN-L:7259] Leibniz and Smith

1999-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
Thinking about it a bit more, I figured out how Louis can say that Leibniz exemplifies individualism at the same time that he is usually classified as a philosopher of internal relations (seeing monads as parts of a greater totality). Leibniz is a little like Adam Smith. Smith, in his WEALTH OF

[PEN-L:7260] Harvey

1999-05-26 Thread Bill Burgess
First, I had a similar reaction to Louis P, that Harvey flirts with idealism in his latest book, and this can be seen in his application of Liebnitz and Whitehead and the distance he takes from Engel's "strong version" of dialectics. (If I understand these issue at all, I think that Richard

[PEN-L:7262] Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
"the separation between city and countryside undermines the very essence of an ecosystem: recycling of nutrients into the soil." Ecosystems have no essence; boundaries and material flows are observer defined constructs. Cities are ecosystems. There is a whole "new" field called industrial

[PEN-L:7263] Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Ian Murray: Ecosystems have no essence; boundaries and material flows are observer defined constructs. Cities are ecosystems. There is a whole "new" field called industrial ecology that all Marxian thinkers would do well to look at, I'm sure Marx would have... Using the term 'ecosystem' in

[PEN-L:7266] Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
So there'll be no more cities in the Proyectian Utopia? Doug God, what low-level, baiting tripe. From a Yale graduate and Verso best-seller, no less. Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)

[PEN-L:7267] Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Peter Dorman wrote: The *whole point* of NATURE'S METROPOLIS is that Chicago is *not* an ecosystem. Rather, there is a regional economy/ecology embracing Chicago *and* the prairies and forests to the west and north. I can't imagine how anyone could read this book and fail to see that, in

[PEN-L:7268] Re: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: So there'll be no more cities in the Proyectian Utopia? Doug God, what low-level, baiting tripe. From a Yale graduate and Verso best-seller, no less. That's not baiting, it's an invitation for you to expand on your argument. When you say something like... Now you can

[PEN-L:7269] Re: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Michael Perelman
While it is true that even our whole planet is not a self-contained system and so might not be a true ecosystem, the idea of an ecosystem is that it is a place that has a certain degree of coherence. My skin or my gut forms an ecosystem for various microorganisms. A rain forest contains a

[PEN-L:7271] UK economy

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
A friend of mine who writes mainly on cultural politics is looking to talk to someone about the UK economy over the last 10-20 years. If anyone can help him out, please email me offlist. Thanks. Doug

[PEN-L:7272] Rebuilding + Repopulating Cities in America (was Harvey...)

1999-05-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Doug wrote: I've read a lot of Proyect over the years, and still have no idea what a resolution of the city-country problem would mean in your eyes. I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing)

[PEN-L:7275] Re: Rebuilding + Repopulating Cities in America (wasHarvey...)

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing) suburban sprawls in the United States would, I think, be good for both cities and rural ecosystems. Here at least (if not in

[PEN-L:7276] WHAT THIS WAR IS REALLY ABOUT; Soldier of Fortune FightsAlongside KLA; The Business of War; Bombing as Serious State Terrorism

1999-05-26 Thread Michael Eisenscher
IN THIS MESSAGE: WHAT THIS WAR IS REALLY ABOUT; Soldier of Fortune Fights Alongside KLA; The Business of War; Bombing as Serious State Terrorism The Globe and Mail Wednesday, May 26, 1999 WHAT THIS WAR IS REALLY ABOUT By Marcus Gee Belgrade -- Hats off to

[PEN-L:7281] Re: Re: Harvey and Jo'burg

1999-05-26 Thread Sam Pawlett
Has anyone read Alan Gilbert's book on Latin American cities? Those are cities drastically in need, of well. something. Paul Goodman wrote something interesting stuff on urban planning in his Utopian Essays. He has an essay on banning cars from Manhatten. Imagine that! Sam Pawlett

[PEN-L:7307] valuable essay

1999-05-26 Thread Michael Eisenscher
POSTED TO H-NET A sharp essay by Bob Buzzanco "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NEW LEFT? TOWARD A RADICAL READING OF AMERICAN FOREIGN RELATIONS," 1999 Stuart L. Bernath Lecture, and scheduled to be published in the Fall issue of the journal DIPLOMATIC HISTORY, is invaluable as a teaching and analytical

[PEN-L:7282] Re: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Peter Dorman
Louis, sometimes it seems as though you don't like an argument unless it has a slogan attached to it. No, Cronon does not *denounce* the destruction of the bison or the change in plains plant communities. (He does emote a little about deforestation, as I recall.) But so what? The point is the

[PEN-L:7279] Re: Re: Re: Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-05-26 Thread Rod Hay
And add to that the slave traders in west Africa and the consumers of British cotton goods around the world, etc., etc., But of course there are no former slaves still alive to collect. Original Message Follows From: "Charles Brown" The physical location of capital , especially

[PEN-L:7274] jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Bill: On Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:11:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: ... While I am sympathetic to David Harvey's pro-urban + anti-primitivist strain of thought (and distrustful of the rhetoric of the "noble savage"), does it really matter (to marxists as political activists, that is)

[PEN-L:7273] RE: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Inconsistencies and contradictions are linguistic artifacts; nature does not "contain" a nor or a not function in it's dynamics. Does a marine ecology "contradict" a terrestrial one? A natural balance is always a temporary eddy/stability in a relentless flux. Ecological apocalyptics are simply

[PEN-L:7270] the geography of capital

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
I just pulled William Cronon's Nature's Metropolis off the shelf and came across this paragraph, on p. 340: "The paradox of nineteenth-century Chicago was that the same market that brought city and country ever closer together, giving them a common culture and fostering ever more intimate

[PEN-L:7265] Re: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Peter Dorman
The *whole point* of NATURE'S METROPOLIS is that Chicago is *not* an ecosystem. Rather, there is a regional economy/ecology embracing Chicago *and* the prairies and forests to the west and north. I can't imagine how anyone could read this book and fail to see that, in Cronon's view, the rise of

[PEN-L:7264] Re: Harvey, Leibniz Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Using the term 'ecosystem' in this fashion is consistent with Harvey and Cronon's approach. Again, it does not address the fundamental contradiction addressed by Marx in the 19th century and which has only deepened. The creation of cities like NYC, LA and Chicago has created

[PEN-L:7261] On-line pesticide novel -Forwarded

1999-05-26 Thread Tim Stroshane
Forwarded mail received from: CENTER1:City:City.smtp:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" FYIDate: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:41:41 -0700 From: Karen deMoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: On-line pesticide novel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Proceeds of on-line novel to support

[PEN-L:7256] Harvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Sam Pawlett wrote: When reading Harvey's latest book I found all the time spent on Leibniz and Whitehead very strange and disappointing. A bit if a red herring. What is the point of invoking these very obscure thinkers? LW constructed two of the strangest metaphysical systems around. LW were

[PEN-L:7255] Re: Re: Harvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Sam Pawlett
When reading Harvey's latest book I found all the time spent on Leibniz and Whitehead very strange and disappointing. A bit if a red herring. What is the point of invoking these very obscure thinkers? LW constructed two of the strangest metaphysical systems around. LW were known primarily as

[PEN-L:7252] Re: arvey, Leibniz and Marx

1999-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: I didn't have space to get into this, but Harvey is very close to William Cronon on these questions, who also views urban spaces--Chicago in particular--as constituting "ecosystems". I believe this is nuts. People live in cities, as do some trees and animals even. They eat

[PEN-L:7247] Re: Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
Charles asks: Who does own the plains and how did they gain title to them ? can we say that _anyone_ should "own" the plains in the sense of individual ownership? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html Bombing DESTROYS human rights. Ground troops make

[PEN-L:7246] Re: alternatives to Nato on the Kosovo crisis

1999-05-26 Thread Peter Dorman
This issue of alternatives is extremely important, and doesn't always get the respect it deserves from the left, IMO. As we know, there are many societies in which elementary human rights are being devastated. They are not reducible to a single cause (like "imperialism"); while there is usually

[PEN-L:7243] Re: NATO question?

1999-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
In theory, NATO makes decision following consensus (unanimity), so that the new members should have endorsed the war. I would bet that _in practice_ NATO often avoids formal decisions so that unanimity can be avoided. But the war is such a big issue that some sort of formal agreement was needed,

[PEN-L:7237] Re: Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis's movie was Ridicule. quite nice. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901

[PEN-L:7234] Peace Law from Attorney Ann Fagan Ginger

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
MEIKLEJOHN CIVIL LIBERTIES INSTITUTE, a center for human rights peace law Box 673, Berkeley, CA 94701-0673, [EMAIL PROTECTED] KOSOVO WHAT SHOULD CONCERNED PEOPLE BE THINKING DOING NOW? Stated purpose of NATO bombing: To prevent humanitarian

[PEN-L:7229] Re: Re: Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-05-26 Thread Charles Brown
The physical location of capital , especially fictional capital , is an interesting question. The surpluses from the South also went to England, so maybe the payback should be international in this global economy. The big bourgeoisie who were and are resident in the South, the former

[PEN-L:7228] Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-26 Thread William S. Lear
On Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:11:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes: ... While I am sympathetic to David Harvey's pro-urban + anti-primitivist strain of thought (and distrustful of the rhetoric of the "noble savage"), does it really matter (to marxists as political activists, that is) whether