[PEN-L:9764] Re: Re: Re: Technology critics (Re: Bill McKibben)

1999-08-02 Thread Rob Schaap
What beaut threads we have going! All the better to tempt me from my rightful endeavours, eh? I'm awake to your game! Frances writes: Or, look at the example of Cyrus McCormick's plant modernization in the 1880's. At great expense, he installed pneumatic molding machines, a new and untested

[PEN-L:9775] Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Jim Devine
Doug, you may be opening a can of worms. Whatizname, the Hayek fanatic, may intervene and answer your question. Then, tedium If I remember correctly, he (Greg Ransom?) argues that Hayek favored a kind of welfare state. At 06:14 PM 8/1/99 -0400, you wrote: I just pulled my ancient copy of

[PEN-L:9776] Re: Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Jim Devine
I'm mystified by what Keynes read in the book. Keynes doesn't seem like a very reliable reader. supposedly the saying at Cambridge was that if you had 8 economists together, you'd get 9 opinions, two of them held by Keynes. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:9777] Re: RE: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Lisa Ian Murray wrote: Would planning the design of "private" decentralized markets be verboten? Planning is ok if it promotes competition. Planning is bad if it stifles it. Hayek makes a great deal out of how statist systems smother diversity, and lead to rulers imposing their preferences

[PEN-L:9778] Re: Re: Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Sam Pawlett wrote: The blurb from Keynes on *The Road to Serfdom* is from his June 28th, 1944 letter to Hayek. He goes on to say in the same letter; "...I should therefore conclude your theme rather differently. I should say that what we want is not no planning, or even less planning, indeed I

[PEN-L:9780] Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Jim Devine wrote: Doug, you may be opening a can of worms. Whatizname, the Hayek fanatic, may intervene and answer your question. Then, tedium If I remember correctly, he (Greg Ransom?) argues that Hayek favored a kind of welfare state. Minimal protections against starvation, not a very

[PEN-L:9783] your info needed for World Bank campaign

1999-08-02 Thread Robert Naiman
A number of organizations are mulling the launch of a campaign to get public institutions (universities, labor unions, churches, etc.) to pledge not to purchase World Bank bonds in protest of the Bank's structural adjustment policies c. In order to help launch this campaign it would be useful

[PEN-L:9787] Burmaenviro alert: STOP WTO/NAFTA overturn of human rightslaws

1999-08-02 Thread Robert Naiman
The vote on the Kucinich amendment is expected tomorrow (Tuesday) Burma groups, Citizens Trade Campaign, and enviros have done alerts -- this is the Burma one: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Call or write your US Congressmen and -women: FBC Kiosk 7/28/1999 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:51:31

[PEN-L:9789] RE: Re: RE: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
So would Hayek be real strong on anti-trust laws? Would he be foaming at the mouth over the 80% increase in the price of oil over the last nine months? Wouldn't the state have to have a plan to prevent all the monopsonistic strategies hurled at Joe and Suzie (as well as Mr. Main Street

[PEN-L:9790] Re: Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:08 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote: On Monday, August 2, 1999 at 09:37:10 (-0700) Jim Devine writes: ... There's a certain truth about what Hayek says, concerning the government having to standardize its programs, which smothers diversity. .. I don't buy this. Standardization need not smother

[PEN-L:9791] BLS Daily Report

1999-08-02 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, AUGUST 2, 1999 The low inflation climate that has prevailed in the United States for the last few years has so radically changed the environment for compensation that businesses should expect wage demands to remain close to their current levels well into next year,

[PEN-L:9794] Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread William S. Lear
On Monday, August 2, 1999 at 13:31:44 (-0700) Jim Devine writes: At 12:08 PM 8/2/99 -0500, you wrote: On Monday, August 2, 1999 at 09:37:10 (-0700) Jim Devine writes: ... There's a certain truth about what Hayek says, concerning the government having to standardize its programs, which smothers

[PEN-L:9786] Ratkings: Quote for the Day:

1999-08-02 Thread Craven, Jim
From Universities and Empire: Money and Politics in the Social Sciences During the Cold War", Edited by Christopher Simpson, The New Press, N.Y. 1998 (Highly Recommended primer on Social Systems Engineering and Whoring/Toadying/Sycophancy in Research and Policy in "Mainstream" Academia)

[PEN-L:9797] Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Sam Pawlett
Doug Henwood wrote: Hayek has a lovely chapter on how socialism would lead to rule by the worst, since good taste and respect for diversity are features of the educated, while cretinous homogeneity characterizes the masses. To win votes, politicians would have to pander to the lowest common

[PEN-L:9798] Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Doug Henwood
Sam Pawlett wrote: The relation between economic planning and political freedom has struck me as an empirical question yet what impressed me the most about Hayek and his progeny like Israel Kirzner is the utter lack of empirical evidence and argumentation in their work. I haven't read

[PEN-L:9799] Re: Re: Re: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug Henwood wrote: I haven't read Hayek's more technical stuff, aside from Prices Production, but the RtS is argued at such a high level of abstraction it's hard to take seriously. And from such an idealistic POV - Fichte and Sombart are more responsible for Naziism than German capital!

[PEN-L:9800] The Internet Anti-Fascist: Fri, 30 July 99 -- 3:59 (#300)

1999-08-02 Thread Paul Kneisel
__ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Friday, 30 July 99 Vol. 3, Numbers 59 (#300) _ SCHOOL LONG SEEN AS DESPOTS' TRAINING

[PEN-L:9788] ECONOMIC REPORTING REVIEW 8/2/99 by Dean Baker

1999-08-02 Thread Robert Naiman
Economic Reporting Review August 2, 1999 By Dean Baker Tax Cuts "Business Gets Big Breaks in Tax Bill" Dan Morgan Washington Post, July 24, 1999, page A1 "Seeking Common Ground on Federal Tax Cut" Richard W. Stevenson New York Times, July 25, 1999, Section 1 page 18 "Clinton Attacks

[PEN-L:9785] German social democracy's right turn sparks resistance

1999-08-02 Thread Louis Proyect
August 2, 1999 German Laborers Challenge Social Democrats' Right Turn By ROGER COHEN BERLIN -- "Miners or male models?" asked the headline over photographs of an elegant, smiling Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and a weary, coal-smeared worker. "The party must decide." The summary of the battle

[PEN-L:9796] Re: Re: RE: Hayek on Keynes

1999-08-02 Thread Sam Pawlett
Doug Henwood wrote: Planning is ok if it promotes competition. Planning is bad if it stifles it. Hayek makes a great deal out of how statist systems smother diversity, and lead to rulers imposing their preferences on the populace. A good description of what has been happening in