[PEN-L:10206] Re: Re: Racial Profiling the Media (was Re:Race...)

1999-08-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Michael Perelman wrote: I have not experienced racial profiling. When I went back to school and let my hair and beard grow, suddenly I was stopped with great frequency. When was that? (I've always wondered how old you are.) Maybe that's a counter-culture profiling that Michael Hoover could

[PEN-L:10210] US Saving Rate Rising?

1999-08-19 Thread Michael Pollak
If one of our economists has time on his hands, I'd love to see a critique of this piece from today's New York Times Op-Ed Page by An Under-Secretary of Commerce. When he says the national savings rate has increased by 17%, is that true? And BTW, percent of what over what period? Or is that

[PEN-L:10219] Fw: Re: Re: Racial Profiling the Media (wasRe:Race...)

1999-08-19 Thread Frank Durgin
This whole thing is getting pretty darn rotten! I can not beleive what I'm reading. Is this really the highly respected PEN-1? Frank-- From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:10213] Re: Re: Racial Profiling the Media (wasRe:Race...) Date:

[PEN-L:10221] Re: Re: [stormingheaven] ebonics?

1999-08-19 Thread christian a. gregory
wotjek wrote: That is an excellent argument. It is impossible to discuss language while abstracting form social, economic conditions that produced it. Language is merely a reflection of material reality that produced it, albeit it has an "institutional history' that outlives the material

[PEN-L:10223] Re: Re: [stormingheaven] ebonics?

1999-08-19 Thread Mathew Forstater
Rejection of the notion of "underclass" or the rejection of the view that Ebonics lacks "full conceptual complexity" is fully compatible with the general approach that recognizes the primacy of material reality (even while rejecting a simplistic and dichotomous treatment of the relation of the

[PEN-L:10226] Re: Baltimore gentrification

1999-08-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 01:12 PM 8/19/99 -0400, Louis Proyect quoted: The Washington Post, November 24, 1984 Is Baltimore Truly Back?; New Showcase City Faces Old Problems --snip But before his arrival, the city's black Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance had urged that the rally be held elsewhere,

[PEN-L:10234] Query on CBOT

1999-08-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Someone recently posted me as follows. Could anyone answer her question. Over at CBOT (Chicago Board of Trade) there is a half hearted effort to promote the exchange a hedge for farmers. What percentage of the billions that go through there are producers or consumers mitigating risk may be

[PEN-L:10236] Re: Body as Self-Property, Not Commodity

1999-08-19 Thread Michael Hoover
I risk being admonished by Michael Perelman, Michael Hoover Rosalind Petchesky "The Body as Property: A Feminist Re-Vision" (in _Conceiving the New World Order: The Global Politics of Reproduction_ [1995]), Petchesky argues that those feminist and postmodernist critics (such as Carole

[PEN-L:10238] Re: Re: Body as Self-Property, Not Commodity

1999-08-19 Thread Michael Hoover
I don't know why my message under this header was tagged urgent, I'm a few days behind in e-mail, but I almost always behind in e-mail, so apologies for *urgent* notice as well as for cluttering lister e-mailboxes with this followup... Michael Hoover

Re: [stormingheaven] ebonics?

1999-08-19 Thread Colin Danby
Mat has politely shifted focus to a more abstract level, but let's be clear that Sokolowski's latest post is a disingenuous response to Mat's critique. Sokolowski called the following, posted by someone signing as Peter Kosenko, an "excellent argument": a language that is basically confined

[PEN-L:10240] Re: Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-19 Thread Sam Pawlett
Ajit Sinha wrote: Do you think animals have rights or not? No. I don't like rights-based theories at all--they have intractable problems-- but in some cases ,like abortion, talk about "rights" makes the conversation a lot easier. Most political philosophies, even contractarians like Rawls

[PEN-L:10239] RE: Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-19 Thread Rod Hay
Marx's materialism varies in sophistication depending upon the task at hand, as should ours. For some purposes a simple dichotomy may be sufficient to give us the understanding that we need. Other times we may have to make more subtle distinctions. Vulgar in Marx's hand as in "vulgar

[PEN-L:10237] The Asian Crisis redux?

1999-08-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I have been asking someone to chime in on this question. No one has come forward, so I will venture the first post. While the consensus seems to be that the Asian crisis is over, I am not sure. Greenspan has signaled that he will raise rates again. Could that cause an overreaction, reigniting

[PEN-L:10235] Re: Re: RE: Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Mathew Forstater wrote: Let's be clear about one thing: you may find a usefulness in vulgar materialism, but that materialism is not the materialism of Marx. Mat Marx spoke of "vulgar economics"; he and Engels both spoke of "mechanical" or "metaphysical" materialism. I don't remember

[PEN-L:10233] Re: RE: Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-19 Thread Mathew Forstater
You use "sophisticated" in quotes, yet I never used the word. That aside, I think there are important "consequences, political [and] otherwise." For starters, we can consider seriously a whole range of phenomena that are otherwise ignored or cast aside as mere reflections: ideologies, for

[PEN-L:10232] RE: Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-19 Thread Rod Hay
Everything determines everything means that nothing is determinate. The old materialism at least had the benefit of saying something definite--something that you could get a handle on. It was simplistic but for many purposes a simplistic analysis is sufficient. Some times it is necessary to be

[PEN-L:10231] Burford Furrow's ideological roots

1999-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
LA Times, Friday, August 13, 1999 A Trip to the Birthplace of Racist Ideologies By PETER Y. HONG, KEN ELLINGWOOD, Times Staff Writers Buford Furrow's journey from Washington to Southern California was a kind of pilgrimage back to the birthplace of his racist creed. The hate group to which

[PEN-L:10230] Re: ideology/consciousness and material/social (was ebonics and new urbanism)

1999-08-19 Thread Mathew Forstater
The dichotomous treatment of ideology/consciousness/symbolic vs. material reality in some of the posts on these lists really smacks of simplistic old materialism that I thought had been left behind some time ago. As I think has been pointed out by others here several times, Marx argued against

[PEN-L:10229] new virus

1999-08-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
from: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2316716,00.html The author of Win32.Kriz, discovered recently by researchers, sounds as if he or she has an ax to grind against religious folks. Inside the virus is a text string with a poem full of expletives criticizing those who

[PEN-L:10228] Re: Re: Re: [stormingheaven] ebonics?

1999-08-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 01:50 PM 8/19/99 -0400, Charles Brown wrote: Ditto. Charles Brown "Mathew Forstater" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/99 01:44PM Rejection of the notion of "underclass" or the rejection of the view that Ebonics lacks "full conceptual complexity" is fully compatible with the general approach that

[PEN-L:10227] Re: Re: Re: New Urbanism (was Race....)

1999-08-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 02:30 PM 8/19/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: Perhaps you could tell us about the local political projects that you got into with your neighbors -- their successes, failures, compromises, etc. Other people might be also interested in discussing what is being done in local politics. BTW, you reply

[PEN-L:10225] Re: Re: New Urbanism (was Race....)

1999-08-19 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Wojtek wrote: It is an ethnically mixed (mostly black, some whites, a few latinos and other) neighborhood inhabited by moderate income people (teachers, truck drivers, social workers, office clerks - wold you call them yuppies?) that provides many opportunities for socializing and participation

[PEN-L:10224] Re: Re: [stormingheaven] ebonics?

1999-08-19 Thread Charles Brown
Ditto. Charles Brown "Mathew Forstater" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/99 01:44PM Rejection of the notion of "underclass" or the rejection of the view that Ebonics lacks "full conceptual complexity" is fully compatible with the general approach that recognizes the primacy of material reality (even

[PEN-L:10222] Baltimore gentrification

1999-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
The Washington Post, November 24, 1984 Is Baltimore Truly Back?; New Showcase City Faces Old Problems By Donald P. Baker, Washington Post Staff Writer From his home near the Inner Harbor, C.J. Welsh has watched with interest the new building that has transformed the downtown area and the

[PEN-L:10220] Re: New Urbanism (was Race....)

1999-08-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 06:10 PM 8/18/99 -0400, Yoshie wrote: I agree with the first paragraph here (the importance of not putting the cart before the horse), and I share your concern about suburbanization the disappearance of public spaces, but stated thus, the description of the problem may lead to an ultimate

[PEN-L:10215] BLS Daily Report

1999-08-19 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 18, 1999 __After showing no change for 2 months, the CPI-U rose 0.3 percent on a seasonally adjusted basis in July. During the first 7 months of this year, the CPI-U has accelerated to a 2.4 percent annual rate of increase from a 1.6 percent advance for all

[PEN-L:10214] Clinton's Defense Spending Redux

1999-08-19 Thread Max Sawicky
Got some new budget numbers the other day and noticed that my statement that Clinton's defense outlay proposals are a cut in real terms is more vulnerable to expectations of inflation than I had appreciated. To say the Clinton budget contemplates a real cut in defense relative to FY1999, one

[PEN-L:10213] Re: Re: Racial Profiling the Media (wasRe:Race...)

1999-08-19 Thread Charles Brown
I thought Michael Perelman is Black ! CB Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/99 01:42AM Michael Perelman wrote: I have not experienced racial profiling. When I went back to school and let my hair and beard grow, suddenly I was stopped with great frequency. When was that? (I've always

[PEN-L:10212] Hitler Endorsed by 9 to 1 in Poll on his

1999-08-19 Thread Frank Durgin
I thought that this would be of interest to those who participated in the long and very interesting discusssion on Fascism which ran on this list for a couple of weeks a short time back' The New York Times runs a column every day titled "This Day in History", in which it reproduces articles

[PEN-L:10211] Russian gangsters and NYC banks

1999-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, August 19, 1999 Activity at Bank Raises Suspicions of Russian Mob Tie By RAYMOND BONNER with TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN Millions of dollars have been channeled through the Bank of New York in the last year in what is believed to be a major money laundering operation by Russian organized

[PEN-L:10209] Re: The Wider Community: Notes towards a Definition

1999-08-19 Thread Michael Keaney
We have on the one hand the "wider community," on the other "women." Appeals to "the wider community" (and even careless appeals to "the working class as a whole") are always suspect. I will offer a polemical definition of "the wider community" as a way of urging further discussion of the topic.

[PEN-L:10207] Re: Re: Is a Fetus an Appendix?

1999-08-19 Thread Ajit Sinha
Sam Pawlett wrote: Ajit Sinha wrote: __What kind of a rotten arguments you are producing Sam? Do you think a newly born child has an understanding of what x is? Has a consciousness of his/her rights and obligations? There are many even adults who do not have such