[PEN-L:10442] intellecual property rights, normal profits and imperialism

1999-08-28 Thread michael
Bill Lear's question on normal profits is pushing the list in the direction I had been proposing for some time. For the most part, Ian has been alone in showing an inclination similar to my own. Like Paul, I began as an agricultural economist. For us, it is easy to see how commodity markets

[PEN-L:10441] request for information

1999-08-28 Thread Mitchell Chanin
Dear PEN-L, As an organizer with a welfare rights organization and a student at the Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA, I am trying to learn about strategies for helping people to think critically about economics. I am helping to organize a popular education project for the organization

[PEN-L:10440] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: normal profits, etc.

1999-08-28 Thread Eugene Coyle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip of most of the post) My mentor in economics, Vernon Fowke, wrote many times in his numerous articles on the agricultural economy that "there are no (long term) profits in competition" (despite the risks.) Anyone who has had much practical experience with

[PEN-L:10439] Lester Telser

1999-08-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Regarding what was said below, although I believe that Lester Telser regards himself as part of the Chicago school, since he teaches there, his work is far more sophisticated and realistic, which is why I suspect that he has never been given his due as an economist. He makes the mistake of

[PEN-L:10435] Waco and the Lesser of Two Evils

1999-08-28 Thread Michael Perelman
I just saw the Waco video last night. Interesting/frightening. One of the preachers that plays basketball with me at the gym, an ex-druggie musician has a similar way of looking at the Bible as Koresh. Both are smart, but go off in wierd directions. The video made a pretty convincing case

[PEN-L:10434] Re: Re: FWD: Re: Baker on IP

1999-08-28 Thread Jim Devine
(Mercifully, I agree with what Ajit said on the subject of "normal" profit. "Normal profit" is an ideological version of the "average" profit of Marx the classics.) Eugene wrote: The second part of Bill's question addresses a second quote from Dean Baker. Baker cites standard neo-classical

[PEN-L:10433] Re: Re: Re: Re: normal profits, etc.

1999-08-28 Thread phillp2
Ajit wrote: I personally do find the idea of 'normal profit' of neo-classical economics to be extremely difficult to get hold of. Normal profit is a notion related to the long run situation under a perfectly competitive market structure. Now, if we accept the neo-classical marginal

[PEN-L:10432] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE:Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-28 Thread Jim Devine
A word has several meanings, Jim. You can understand its meaning only in the context of its use... This is the reason my joke was followed by a reinterpretation of the word "pedestrian." (This reinterpretation appears below, surrounded by and .) The point is that "pedestrian" _can be_ good,

[PEN-L:10430] Re: Re: Re: Ideology/consciousness and material/social

1999-08-28 Thread Ajit Sinha
William S. Lear wrote: On Friday, August 27, 1999 at 18:02:28 (-0700) Ajit Sinha writes: Rod Hay wrote: "The will has no meaning in isolation. Therefore it does not exist" The heart has no meaning in isolation from a body. Therefore it does not exist. The part has no meaning in

[PEN-L:10429] Re: Re: Re: normal profits, etc.

1999-08-28 Thread Ajit Sinha
Mathew Forstater wrote: The notion of normal (or what Adam Smith called "natural") rate of profits is not only or even primarily a neoclassical concept. This notion is in the Classical economists and Marx. __ This point is also made by Jim Devine and Michael Perelman. I think

[PEN-L:10431] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Ideology/consciousnessandmaterial/social

1999-08-28 Thread Ajit Sinha
Rob Schaap wrote: Hi again, Ajit, You write: So at the epistemological level, what good is will for? Well, whilst historical and contemporary relations do enable and constrain, I do believe there is an extra-structural category. That'd be 'that which is enabled and constrained by

[PEN-L:10422] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Ideology/consciousnessandmaterial/social

1999-08-28 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again, Ajit, You write: So at the epistemological level, what good is will for? Well, whilst historical and contemporary relations do enable and constrain, I do believe there is an extra-structural category. That'd be 'that which is enabled and constrained by historical and contemporary