[PEN-L:10665] Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Jim Devine
Can someone tell me why the Indonesians (with power) _want_ East Timor? The most I've heard is that Indonesia has a large number of islands and if you let one area go, they rest might follow (the domino theory). But since East Timor is a recent acquisition, you'd think the powers that be in

[PEN-L:10668] Re: Re: Making the news in E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread William S. Lear
On Tuesday, September 7, 1999 at 10:00:38 (-0400) Doug Henwood writes: Michael Perelman wrote: How do these people coordinate their signals? Do they check with the State department? Yes. That's how elite journalists work. ... Much of it done, Brit Hume style, over tennis with the

[PEN-L:10671] Re: Making the news in E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Charles Brown
Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/99 12:48AM How do these people coordinate their signals? Do they check with the State department? -- ( Charles: Does a bear ahem in the woods ? CB

[PEN-L:10673] Re: Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim D. asked what the Indonesians want. Bill Lear mentioned oil. In addition, they fear other separatist movements Now, the Timorese face a grim choice. Brutality under Indonesia or the imposition of a neo-liberal regime under the "UN-US" leadership. The brave fighters deserve a better

[PEN-L:10674] Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Michael Keaney
Jim Devine wrote: Can someone tell me why the Indonesians (with power) _want_ East Timor? The most I've heard is that Indonesia has a large number of islands and if you let one area go, they rest might follow (the domino theory). But since East Timor is a recent acquisition, you'd think the

[PEN-L:10675] More Articles on Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
ASIET News Updates - September 7, 1999 == * Race against genocide! * Bishop attacked as army take over Timor * Surge of nationalistic, anti-foreigner posturing * Australian unions imposes sanctions on Indonesia * Timor's political cleansing * Army conspires

[PEN-L:10681] RE: RE: MODERN SCIENCE is a product of capitalism

1999-09-07 Thread Craven, Jim
My only response to this--and the ad hominem speaks for itself and the intellect/integrity of its author (you have no idea what I am or what I do or whether or not I am indeed a leftist or a "leftist")--is that nothing I wrote speaks of a "nostalgia" for ancient cultures (although I must admit

[PEN-L:10684] Re: Now *that's* Science!

1999-09-07 Thread Rod Hay
This message was no doubt sent as sarcasm, but as such it fails. It is merely an abstract of an attempt at model building and therefore impossible to judge. There also seems to be some confusion as to the relationship between science and capitalism and traditional societies. If by science

[PEN-L:10689] Re: Chinese reforms of 1994

1999-09-07 Thread Stephen E Philion
Michael, I can't think of a specific article dealing with that specific topic at the moment, but I would recommend Rayomond Lau's article on the implications of the 15th Party congress of *1997* as a major step toward privatization of public assets, in, I believe, the january 1999 edition of

[PEN-L:10686] July archives of the Marxism list

1999-09-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Is now online at http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/archive99.htm CHINA AND MAOISM: --Why the fuss over Mao? --Propaganda over Pol Pot --Falung Gong in historical context --China, Taiwan and imperialist bellicosity LATIN AMERICA: --Revolution in Colombia, part 1: historical background --Revolution in

[PEN-L:10685] chaos book reference

1999-09-07 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
The full reference on the book I mentioned yesterday is Ralph H. Abraham, _Chaos, Gaia, Eros_, 1994, New York: Harper Collins. He is a mathematician and one of the genuine founders of chaos theory. But this is a very speculative book bringing in traditional views from many cultures in

[PEN-L:10683] Now *that's* Science!

1999-09-07 Thread Mathew Forstater
"The Science of Monetary Policy: A New Keynesian Approach" BY: RICHARD CLARIDA Columbia University JORDI GALI Universitat Pompeu Fabra Department of Economics and Business New York University Department of

[PEN-L:10682] Re: RE: MODERN SCIENCE is a product of capitalism

1999-09-07 Thread Mathew Forstater
In addition to the citations provided by Charles, see: Beatrice Lumpkin, "The Pyramids: Ancient Showcase of African Science and Technology," in Ivan Van Sertima (ed.): _Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern_, incorporating _Journal of African Civilizations_, April November 1983 issues (vol. 5,

[PEN-L:10680] splits, division and confusion

1999-09-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Could we not just say that during times, such as the Vietnam war, the capitalist class becomes confused about its interest? I did not see anybody talking about good vs. bad capitalists. Instead, their confidence wains and they become more vulnerable to challenges. Johnson's policies were

[PEN-L:10679] Ruling Class Divisions, was Re: Making the newsin E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Charles Brown
Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/99 01:50PM Plato remarked that no revolution would succeed unless the ruling class became divided against itself. (( Charles: That's interesting. Seems to me that an undivided ruling class could be defeated by a fully united oppressed mass

[PEN-L:10678] Re: Ruling Class Divisions, was Re: Making thenews in E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: (When the NYT split with Johnson over the Vietnam war (even about tactics and strategy) and when it split with Nixon over Watergate, that represented a pretty explicit split in the US ruling class.) Carrol writes: This is of course correct in substance, but I think marxists should

[PEN-L:10677] Re: prisons

1999-09-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
Mr P.A. Van Heusden wrote: Marx for Beginners is a disgrace, if you ask me. It's a badly written, confusing account of Marxism. At least the version I read. I was thinking of "Trotsky for Beginners" by Tariq Ali which is quite good. Sam P.

[PEN-L:10676] Ruling Class Divisions, was Re: Making the news in E.Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: (When the NYT split with Johnson over the Vietnam war (even about tactics and strategy) and when it split with Nixon over Watergate, that represented a pretty explicit split in the US ruling class.) This is of course correct in substance, but I think marxists should be

[PEN-L:10672] Re: Re: Re: Making the news in E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:30 AM 9/7/99 -0500, you wrote: On Tuesday, September 7, 1999 at 10:00:38 (-0400) Doug Henwood writes: Michael Perelman wrote: How do these people coordinate their signals? Do they check with the State department? Yes. That's how elite journalists work. ... Much of it done, Brit Hume

[PEN-L:10670] RE: Humanitarian invervention in E. Timor?

1999-09-07 Thread Max Sawicky
LP, quoting Steve Shalom: .. . . But there are some cases where the level of human rights violation is so massive, where hundreds of thousands or even millions of lives are at stake, that one might want to permit some exception to the general prohibition against humanitarian intervention. "But

[PEN-L:10669] Humanitarian invervention in E. Timor?

1999-09-07 Thread Louis Proyect
The Democratic Socialist Party calls on all supporters of democracy to mobilise to demand that the Australian government insist that the United Nations authorise the immediate dispatch of Australian troops to East Timor. The task of these troops must be to assist the East Timorese resistance

[PEN-L:10667] Re: Timor

1999-09-07 Thread William S. Lear
On Tuesday, September 7, 1999 at 06:55:07 (-0700) Jim Devine writes: Can someone tell me why the Indonesians (with power) _want_ East Timor? The most I've heard is that Indonesia has a large number of islands and if you let one area go, they rest might follow (the domino theory). But since East

[PEN-L:10666] Re: Making the news in E. Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: How do these people coordinate their signals? Do they check with the State department? Yes. That's how elite journalists work. On public policy and foreign affairs, their chief sources are government officials, with elite think tankers and professors coming next. On

[PEN-L:10664] The Internet Anti-Fascist: Friday, 3 Sep 1999 -- 3:71 (#324)

1999-09-07 Thread Paul Kneisel
__ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Friday, 3 September 1999 Vol. 3, Numbers 71 (#324) __ FASCIST ORGANIZING

[PEN-L:10663] Re: prisons

1999-09-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
Eric Cumins reports that anyone in Tennessee prisons declaring him/herself a Marxist was automatically given the death sentence. Is this law still on the books? Sam

[PEN-L:10662] Re: prisons

1999-09-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
Michael Yates wrote: Next month I will begin teaching a class at a maximum security state prison in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Be careful. Short, clearly writtten articles that illustrate features of the political econmy might be especially useful. Thanks. I would recommend *The

[PEN-L:10661] Timor

1999-09-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
ASIET News Updates - September 6, 1999 == * Refugees flee as East Timor burns * The butchery begins in East Timor * International community betrays the Timorese people * Expelled activist tells of Indonesia's payback * Jakarta's bloody hands: military back