[PEN-L:11710] interview with Istvan Meszaros

1999-09-26 Thread Michael Yates
There is an interesting interview with Istvan Meszaros in the latest issue of "Science and Society." If there are people on these lists familiar with his latest book, "Beyond Capital," (I have not read this book, though I found his book on Alienation to be very good, even brilliant in parts) I

[PEN-L:11712] Re: Re: taking stock

1999-09-26 Thread James M. Blaut
Steve: You wrote: "James, What are the implications (as you see them) for the Chinese political economy at present of China and Europe being roughly equal at the turn of the 18th century? "In China, this is a big bone of contention for Dengists, something they love to harp on...China went

[PEN-L:11718] Re: Re: Re: more on col'ism

1999-09-26 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: Capitalism = private ownership of the means of production as the predominant pattern in a society. Doug wrote: What about the reinvestment-of-surplus part and the imperative to grow? Bill writes: Don't these two follow from the definition? Doesn't a battle of each against all

[PEN-L:11721] Free labor as a precondition for capitalism

1999-09-26 Thread Louis Proyect
Jim Devine wrote: These two cases are talking about different levels of society, Louis. Brenner (who is restating and adding to Marx) is talking about a societal totality, like England or France in the 1400s or 1500s. The cases of prison labor are only small pieces of a very large society (world

[PEN-L:11724] Re:[PEN] Re: taking stock

1999-09-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
Jim B, BTW, when I say that your book would be well liked by ideologists of capitalist markets in China,I'm not criticising your book's contentemail remarks can be easily misinterpreted sometimes, just wanna clarify.. The old left in China might well like the book too, not that

[PEN-L:11726] The sage continues

1999-09-26 Thread Michael Perelman
We expected this. Will it have reprecussions elsewhere? QUITO, Ecuador (AP) -- Ecuador will default on payment of millions of dollars of U.S.-backed debt, President Jamil Mahuad announced Sunday night. Last month, Ecuador chose to delay its $98-million interest

[PEN-L:11723] Re: [PEN]Re: taking stock

1999-09-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
Hi Jim, Possibly, but I don't think we're missing that much of what the other is saying. I understand that the Chinese you've read (and by and large, it doesn't matter if they are translated or not, people make a big deal about that but generally speaking translation jobs are quite high quality

[PEN-L:11720] RE: Center for Columbia River History

1999-09-26 Thread Craven, Jim
-Original Message- From: Gerard Donnelly Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:03 AM To: Craven, Jim Subject: Re: Center for Columbia River History Dr. Smith is absolutely correct in saying that without the funds granted by the Clark Admin. the

[PEN-L:11719] The Honor of Polanyi

1999-09-26 Thread Brad De Long
Though I like Polanyi's work (the empirical research and much of the interpretation, the link with anthropology, etc.), you've got to admit that his theory in THE GREAT TRANSFORMATION is in many ways "Marx Lite." (His theory seems fuzzier than Marx, though not as fuzzy as Heilbroner.) I

[PEN-L:11717] Re: Free labor as a precondition for capitalism

1999-09-26 Thread Jim Devine
These two cases are talking about different levels of society, Louis. Brenner (who is restating and adding to Marx) is talking about a societal totality, like England or France in the 1400s or 1500s. The cases of prison labor are only small pieces of a very large society (world capitalism).You

[PEN-L:11715] Re: taking stock

1999-09-26 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, James M. Blaut wrote: Steve: Surely you agree that the sprouts of capitalism in China reflected class struggle as much as did the sprouts of capitalism in Europe... Jim B Hi James, Not if I read most versions of the sprouts theories in China. They tend to read very

[PEN-L:11713] Australians: the Kind of Alliance Partners We Want (was Re:Americanization of global finance)

1999-09-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
me, i'm still inclined to go with dennis' estimations of the situation. US hegemony is kaput i tell ya, and the last ones to notice might well be those in the US. and is there no clearer indication of this than the Australian govt delivering the threat of breaking off military ties with the US

[PEN-L:11709] Re: RE: Re: more on col'ism

1999-09-26 Thread Michael Hoover
On a Tuesday around 3:35 in the afternoon Capitalism was invented as the quest for a type of inequality that was different from the previous type of inequality. ian Reminds of pomo critic/theorist Charles Jencks who (quite happily) said that modern architecture died with the demolition of

[PEN-L:11705] Empiricism

1999-09-26 Thread Sam Pawlett
Mathew Forstater wrote: Norwood Hanson's work, mentioned in your post, is cited in the paper, Hanson was quite a character. A teacher of mine who was a student of his said he hated walking through the department each morning so he would park his harley davidson and climb through his office

[PEN-L:11703] Re: taking stock

1999-09-26 Thread James M. Blaut
Michael: I take your point. But its hard to draw on my abundant stores of humor when the issues being discussed are so profoundly important and comntroversial. I apologize to the list if on occasion I growl and mutter. Michael, hopefully you'll be with me at the conference on the rise of Europe

[PEN-L:11702] Re: Capitalist development

1999-09-26 Thread James M. Blaut
Rod: If you take the total bundle of conditions that -- we now know in hindsight -- would lead to economic and technological development, and then weigh the European bundle and compare it with the Chinese, Indian, etc., bundles, you'd find, I think, that they weighed about the same in 1500.

[PEN-L:11699] Re: WTO meetings

1999-09-26 Thread Bill Rosenberg
A discussion paper on the effect of such agreements on tertiary education (focusing on New Zealand) is available at http://www.aus.ac.nz/papers/brpaper.htm Bill Rosenberg Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:03:26 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:11690] WTO