[PEN-L:12379] Michael Perelman's pkt seminar

1999-10-07 Thread RHolt1234
This is just a reminder that Michael Perelman will start his pkt seminar on his book "The Natural Instability of Markets: Expectations, Increasing Returns, and the Collapse of Capitalism" tomorrow. To subscribe to the pkt-seminars list, please send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body

[PEN-L:12386] Clarification: Tony Smith versus the dependency theorists

1999-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Tony Smith wrote: "One recent event confirms the growing power of the South in striking fashion. More clearly than the defeat of the Italians at Adua in 1896 and the Japanese victory over Russia in 1904, the ultimate triumph of nationalist communism [in VIETNAM] stands as as an historical

[PEN-L:12387] Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Doug Henwood
michael perelman wrote: I would like to see some progress in using the long term analysis in looking forward. Michael, since few people here can agree on the interpretation of the past, how could we possibly make sense of the long-term future? I was just reading Andre Gorz's Farewell to the

[PEN-L:12388] Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: michael perelman wrote: I would like to see some progress in using the long term analysis in looking forward. Michael, since few people here can agree on the interpretation of the past, how could we possibly make sense of the long-term future? [snip] I would agree

[PEN-L:12390] Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Keynes wrote in 1930 that the "economic problem" would be solved within 100 years. And seems to predict quite confidently that the three hour work day would be in place about now. He did hedge a bit -- assuming no wars, etc. and within 9 years that assumption proved unreal. "Economic

[PEN-L:12394] free labour in Canada

1999-10-07 Thread Bill Burgess
Thanks, Paul, for your excellent synthesis of key issues about early Canadian political economy. I have a couple of questions, though I apologize that they are rather incoherent. This thread began on the issue of free labour and land. What would you say about the idea that one of the main

[PEN-L:12402] [Fwd: L-I: religion] (Conflict in Lebanon)

1999-10-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Dear list comrades! I don't imagine anyone who doesn't read Arabic papers has been able to follow it, but there's a very interesting confrontation taking place in Lebanon these days. I mean, there's always the big battle against zionists in the south -- that yields material on a

[PEN-L:12403] Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread michael perelman
I think that the build-up in debt is the sort of phenomenon that can form the basis of prediction of a tendency, just as demographic trends can be fairly predictable. My original point was that we have been paying a great deal of attention to the epiphenomena and hoped that we could make some

[PEN-L:12406] Re: Re: Free Labour

1999-10-07 Thread phillp2
Rod, I took all my economic history from Fowke over a number of years as well as my 'history of thought' and a graduate seminar in the role of the state in the economy. I have also published several articles on his life and times and on his economic thought. I also was, in a very limited

[PEN-L:12405] Re: free labour in Canada

1999-10-07 Thread phillp2
Date sent: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 12:39:25 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bill Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[PEN-L:12394] free labour in Canada Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Paul, for your excellent

[PEN-L:12400] Revolution Reform

1999-10-07 Thread Seth Sandronsky
The "if" factor in CB's observation of the system's contradictions (44 million Americans with no health insurance [WSWS ed. below) but the US govt. can spend $27 billion on testing new nukes, etc.) brings to mind what Boris Kagarlitsky wrote in the Monthly Review a few years ago: "The lack of

[PEN-L:12401] Re: Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Keynes sets up several rough categories here. The predictable. The sort-of predictable. The probable but not predictable. The utterly unpredictable. But is it obvious how these different categories are even roughly identifiable, that we can with even quasi-certainty off the top of our heads

[PEN-L:12399] Re: Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Keynes also said that we must act, and that we have a strong desire to act. At least we want our action to be as informed as possible. Why else would anybody sub. to the Left Business Observer? Doug Henwood wrote: Charles Brown wrote: Keynes' *in the long run we are all dead*

[PEN-L:12398] Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: Keynes' *in the long run we are all dead* notwithstanding Actually this was what I had in mind: "By 'uncertain' knowledge, let me explain, I do not mean merely to distinguish what is known for certain from what is only probable. The game of roulette is not subject, in

[PEN-L:12396] Re: Re: Re: Sanders letter on IMF - campaign.

1999-10-07 Thread Chris Burford
At 11:17 AM 10/7/99 -0400, Robert Naiman wrote: Although this letter appeals to populist isolationist traditions in the US, you mean in a bad way? ;) Does that mean there's a good way? Doug At 11:57 07/10/99 -0400, Robert Naiman wrote: Absolutely. I gathered from his comment that even

[PEN-L:12395] Fw: fed disclosure

1999-10-07 Thread Mathew Forstater
-Original Message- From: L. Randall Wray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 1:35 PM Subject: fed disclosure for a fun time, take a look at the following: Fed Governors' Personal Finances The Federal Reserve governors are all

[PEN-L:12393] Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Charles Brown
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/99 12:42PM This is one area where Keynes was indisputably right: "We just don't know." ( Charles: Which reminds of Kant's agnosticism, unknowable thing-in-itself. CB

[PEN-L:12392] Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Charles Brown
Keynes' *in the long run we are all dead* notwithstanding, in the long term there will be a business downturn even in the U.S. Then the hoodwinking of the people about the amazing length of the boom , the unprecedented, uninterrupted growth of the GDP will come home to roost. It will be the

[PEN-L:12391] Re: Free Labour

1999-10-07 Thread Rod Hay
Paul: You mentioned in an earlier message that you had studied with Vernon Fowke. My reading of his work on wheat is that Prairie wheat growing did not fit the pattern of the classic staple industry that Innis and Lower described. Do you remember what he said about the matter? Rod Hay

[PEN-L:12389] Re: Re: Re: the long term

1999-10-07 Thread Jim Devine
michael perelman wrote: I would like to see some progress in using the long term analysis in looking forward. Doug Henwood wrote: Michael, since few people here can agree on the interpretation of the past, how could we possibly make sense of the long-term future? [snip] Carrol writes: I

[PEN-L:12385] Re: Re: Sanders letter on IMF - campaign.

1999-10-07 Thread Robert Naiman
Absolutely. I gathered from his comment that even Chris Burford -- I say even because I gather he is even more sensitive to the dangers of progressive "cheating" by appealing to isolationist sentiments than you are -- thought that the Sanders letter was an example. (Not that I concede the

[PEN-L:12383] the long term

1999-10-07 Thread michael perelman
The recent wild debate about the origin of capitalism suggests a different direction to me. While we often take a long look backward, the value of such analyis seems to be what it can tell us about understanding long term trends. Unfortunately, we are often likely to concentrate on short term

[PEN-L:12384] Tony Smith versus the dependency theorists

1999-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
I have downloaded a 1979 paper by Tony Smith from JSTOR. Titled "The Development of Underdevelopment Literature: the case of dependency theory", it originally appeared in World Politics, January '79. Based heavily on Barrington Moore's theories, it is a broadside against Baran, Sweezy, Frank,

[PEN-L:12382] Re: Re: Sanders letter on IMF - campaign.

1999-10-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Robert Naiman wrote: Although this letter appeals to populist isolationist traditions in the US, you mean in a bad way? ;) Does that mean there's a good way? Doug

[PEN-L:12380] Re: Free Labour

1999-10-07 Thread phillp2
Here is the last installment (Part 5) Paul Phillips: Staples, Surplus, and Exchange Implications for Interpretation In the staple literature, little or no distinction is made between a staple trade and a staple industry. Yet this is critical in resolving the seeming contradictions

[PEN-L:12381] BLS Daily Report

1999-10-07 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1999 The composite index of leading economic indicators slipped 0.1 percent in August, after rising 0.3 percent in each of the preceding 3 months, the Conference Board reports. The index remains positive, however, and shows potential for posting record