Hi Jim B,
It's not incorrect to state that 'the great mass of people in the poorer
regions of the world are not enjoying as much devlopment as those in the
wealthier regions. To argue that they have experienced no development is a
bit off I believe. Such an argument in a country like China
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Jim, I think that you make a powerful point that production in the
periphery is important. Did Brenner ever deny that?
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Actually, Brenner's argument is not about whether or not development takes
place in the 'third world', but what about the specific relations of
production in poorer regions of the world political economy give rise to
less development...The argument that no development takes place in poorer
Brad de Long is too modest. He should have told us about this. I think this
article looks really interesting. I can't really judge an article by an
editors' summary, but it seems to minimize the effects of international
deflation on global spending.
Maybe. It's U.S. centered (although there was
I'll take what I said back. I _will_ comment on this thread, for two
reasons: (1) the plumber finally came; and (2) Louis posted a message from
Sid Mintz which basically agrees with everything I've been saying. (BTW, I
heard Mintz lecture a couple of times, since he subbed for J.V. Murra when
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I think this confuses things. An idea is not matter. It seems as if someone
has made an ideological committment to "materialism" and then decides that
racism exists and is important therefore it must be matter. Racism is an
ideology (i.e., a system of ideas). Electricity is a material force.
Louis Proyect wrote:
Robert Brenner:
"...a few questions need to be asked (about Caribbean sugar production).
First, how was the 'so-called primitive accumulation of capital'
accomplished? In other words, did the actual separation of the population
of small farmers from the land actually
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In any case, it
sounds like this draws on research by Arline Geronimus, who should
get the credit for it, since she's gotten mostly grief from moralists
left and right. She also argues
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At 08:27 11/10/99 -0700, Max wrote:
Patients' rights is indeed the next baby step back to
a national health care debate. The basis for this debate
will be the discrediting of HMO's, which is in progress as
we speak and is reflected by the House vote.
Note that if patients have rights, then it
Jim Devine:
Think about colonial loot as a form of fuel. RB's view is that in order to
the fuel looted from the "third world" to power the development of W.
Europe, there has to be the right kind of "engine" in place. RB is
discussing the creation of that engine. Putting the fuel in the wrong
Of course, for Marx exchange and production are a dialectical totality,
but a dislectical totality that is determinated by the *General Social
Form* taken by the social product in its entirety. Therefore, what
characterises capitalist production is the fact that social production
has as its
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On Monday, October 11, 1999 at 13:15:10 (-0400) Louis Proyect writes:
Did Cockburn write about that? I don't remember. In any case, it
sounds like this draws on research by Arline Geronimus, who should
get the credit for it, since she's gotten mostly grief from moralists
left and right. She
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/99 01:36PM
Rod Hay wrote:
His argument on the American Left was that while there are many
people doing very valuable work on the local level, there was no
larger vision.
Allow me to put a word in for the Labor Party
Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/10/99 10:00AM
I don't doubt that Wilson had good intentions (all liberals do), but the
manner in which Wilson and Skocpol spoke about these issues (especially in
non-academic venues) only helped those who were pushing for 'welfare
reform.' For instance,
I (among others) have argued in the past on this list that racism is a
material force. I meant this in the same sense that all ideas (and
ideologies) are material. I have also pointed out that Oliver Cox made the
distinction between *racism* and *race antagonism*, and that I think this
"Max B. Sawicky" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/99 03:41AM Right now, on the
real side, there is no going back to the old system,
much less a GAI. The more you demand it, the more irrelevant you
get. The game is different now. If you don't want to take my word
for it, ask the advocates who work in
I have previously recommended Darity's June or July _Journal of Economic
Issues_ article on Marx and full employment. Darity's paper, "Who Loses
from Unemployment," is based on Marx's analysis of the reserve army of
unemployed. After expressing support for policies promoting full
employment,
Just to give the other side on this, I would say that racism and colonialism are as
definitional of the capitalist mode of production as is wage-labor. Capitalism =
wage-labor + racism/colonialism , from the primitive accumulation of capital through
1999. Racism/colonialism is a necessary part
I agree, but he was not singling out individuals. You are also correct that
many of us can improve.
In a way, when you and Louis duke it out, it is not as bad as when others do,
because both of you have a good sense of humor and can take insults as well as
make them. The problem comes when
What about this:
"I assume these "advocates" must be status-quo worshipping policy wonks. "
?
mbs
MP:
This will not do.
"Max B. Sawicky" wrote:
But you don't know shit.
--
Having been caught off-base, Louis tries a jump shot . . .
. . . What's needed is militant struggle against Clinton's attack on
working
people and the poor. The problem with William Julius Wilson and many of the
liberal think-tanks . . .
"Many"? There are approximately three. Us, Preamble,
Rod wrote:
And what else can racism be but ideological? Someone on this list defined
it as a "material force" but that resulted from an ideological committment
to materialism. The fact is that it may have material causes, it may have
material results but it is ideological.
of course it's
Right now, on the real side, there is no going back to the old system,
much less a GAI. The more you demand it, the more irrelevant you
get. The game is different now. If you don't want to take my word
for it, ask the advocates who work in the trenches.
mbs
General Louis, gesturing to the
Sam Pawlett:
Appendix:Globalization
"Globalization" is a term that has in come into being since the end of
the USSR and the Eastern Bloc communist nations in the early 1990's. The
term has had a meteoric rise with the growth of the economic and
(hence)political
power of international
Patients' rights is indeed the next baby step back to
a national health care debate. The basis for this debate
will be the discrediting of HMO's, which is in progress as
we speak and is reflected by the House vote.
Note that if patients have rights, then it is not much
of a stretch to
Australia's under side
Canberra has looked the other way to protect western business interests in
Indonesia
John Pilger
The Guardian, Tuesday October 5, 1999
What is the "international community" really doing in East Timor? After
their arrival almost two weeks ago, Australian troops have
At 21:31 08/10/99 -0400, Doug wrote:
Chris Burford wrote:
Socialised health care is creeping forward even in the USA.
Chris, you're hilarious. Do you really believe that? Especially if
George W Bush becomes president, as seems all too likely? U.S. health
congloms are after Canada's public
. . .
I'm positive you don't need to be reminded of the radical demand during
the
Marxist Nixon administration to delink a person's livelihood from their
employment status with a guaranteed annual income in the Family Assistance
Plan. But those halcyon days are far behind us and there's no
From: Rod Hay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen Steinberg's argument is essentially an idealist one. The point of
Wilson's work is to attack the material (economic) base of racism. Barbara
Field has argued for a similar analysis
And Fields has been criticized for trying to downplay the importance of
From: Max B. Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1) It IS bad to be on welfare. Welfare stinks. Anyone who prefers
welfare
to employment that provides an adequate income (possibly including public
benefits) needs to rethink;
On the other side, as Nathan noted, they
raise the issue of compensated
I got this from H-Labor
INTERNATIONAL CONFEDERATION OF FREE TRADE UNIONS (ICFTU)
ICFTU OnLine...
187/991008/ND
Women and children are the primary victims of the Asian crisis says the ILO
Brussels, 11 October 1999 (ICFTU OnLine): Women and children were the
hardest hit by the recent economic
This will not do.
"Max B. Sawicky" wrote:
But you don't know shit.
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Rod Hay wrote:
His argument on the American Left was that while there are many
people doing very valuable work on the local level, there was no
larger vision.
Allow me to put a word in for the Labor Party
http://www.labornet.org/lpa/index.html. Yeah, sure it'd be easy to
do a critique of
No disagreement on need for broad based campaigns.
I would say part of the reason the US left has been flat since the reforms of 60's
and 70's is that the U.S. ruling class organized, in response to those reforms, an
enormous counter-reform, which can be encapsulated in the term "Reaganism".
When Rod Hay called racism an ideology he seemed to assume that the
consequence of that would be an anti-racist strategy based on changing
ideas. But that is not true. In the sense Fields argues, the implication is
that it is only of marginal benefit to fight ideas -- that primarily one must
Brad de Long is too modest. He should have told us about this. I think this
article looks really interesting. I can't really judge an article by an
editors' summary, but it seems to minimize the effects of international
deflation on global spending.
"Should We Fear Deflation?" by J. Bradford
Yoshie writes:You don't have to be a Marxist to notice that capitalism
doesn't provide full employment (you can just listen to the Fed, for
instance).
It depends on what one means by "full employment." The Fed sees some sort
of threshold unemployment rate below which inflation is bound to
I understand that there are political differences between the different
participants. That is why I lumped Frank, Wood, Wallerstein .
My point was that you can profit from people whose politics you reject. Keynes,
for example, had some awful politics. He was an elitist snob, who sneered
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Actually, Males argues that, but he is drawing much from the works of
Geronimus. Another work, probably the best one I've read, aside from
Geronmus's work on this topic is Kristin Luker's *Dubious Conceptions: The
POlitics of Teenage Pregnancy*. I'm not a fan of WJW, and the best
criticisms of
Jim's restatement of the Brenner thesis coincides with what Marx said and what
Ellen Wood said. I think the problem with this whole debate is that we have a
tendency to label individuals as right or wrong and then apply these labels in
a slap dash way without any feel for the context. Nobody
Rob, I can not strongly disagree with anything you have said. Yes Marx's
materialism is not Feuerbach's, but I think that Marx's materialism is not
the materialism of the second and third international 'marxists'. They seem
closer to Feuerbach.
The question is then is racism an ideology or a
I second this motion...Steve
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Doug Henwood wrote:
Allow me to put a word in for the Labor Party
http://www.labornet.org/lpa/index.html. Yeah, sure it'd be easy to
do a critique of it; I could do one if I wanted to, and lots of
people have drawn on (inaccurate)
*Not* common among marxists. This is utterly incoherent, and it is
difficult to imagine that the author of this paragraph would have much
of any interest to say on the laws of motion of the capitalist system.
Lou must be pulling our leg. It certainly is utterly irrelevant to *any*
of the pen-l
Robert Brenner:
"...a few questions need to be asked (about Caribbean sugar production).
First, how was the 'so-called primitive accumulation of capital'
accomplished? In other words, did the actual separation of the population
of small farmers from the land actually take place? Had these
Can anyone direct me to a source giving the extent of the use of
part-time and graduate student faculty in colleges and universities as
well as the ratio of nontenure to tenure stream full-time faculty?
Michael Yates
AAUP has some of above, website is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Hoover
I'll forward this to Bob B. I know that I'm bored with this whole issue and
I'm sure pen-l is too. This is my last contribution to this thread. (BTW,
that plumber hasn't come yet.)
I wroe:
Think about colonial loot as a form of fuel. RB's view is that in order to
the fuel looted from the
Caio Prado, "The Colonial Background of Modern Brazil" (U. of Cal. 1967):
"The actual situation that existed under the colonial regime corresponded
effectively to the legal situation; this is easy to understand. The
population at the end of Brazil's colonial history was still made up of
that
Normally, I wouldn't answer the following (which repeats a lot of the stuff
-- including the errors -- of a recent thread and really doesn't address
Brenner's thesis), but I'm stuck at home waiting for the plumber...
Louis writes: I suppose most people who got their Marxist education in
Did Cockburn write about that? I don't remember. In any case, it
sounds like this draws on research by Arline Geronimus, who should
get the credit for it, since she's gotten mostly grief from moralists
left and right. She also argues that it makes sense for poor black
women who want kids to
My slogan for welfare is " we can't abolish welfare until we abolish unemployment."
CB
Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/10/99 06:33PM
Max:
1) It IS bad to be on welfare. Welfare stinks. Anyone who prefers welfare
to employment that provides an adequate income (possibly including public
Most academic research merely rehearses tired old ideas. Hers was a real
eye opener.
Doug wrote:
sounds like this draws on research by Arline Geronimus, who should
get the credit for it, since she's gotten mostly grief from moralists
left and right. She also argues that it makes sense for
Right now, on the real side, there is no going back to the old system,
much less a GAI. The more you demand it, the more irrelevant you
get. The game is different now. If you don't want to take my word
for it, ask the advocates who work in the trenches.
mbs
I assume these "advocates" must be
Louis Proyect wrote:
Furthermore, on the specific
question of out-of-wedlock pregnancies, I have found Alex Cockburn's
articles on this subject most enlightening. He argues that it makes eminent
good sense for young Black mothers to have children at an early age,
because demographics understood
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Max:
I happen to work w/Living Wage people my own self. EPI has been
in the business of providing technical assistance to LW groups all
over the country. EPI is also the national center for research on
so-called contingent or non-standard work arrangements. This
research was used to good effect
A moral foreign affair?
by Gary McLennan
Introduction
The debate around Australian foreign policy has been conducted at an unusual
level of intensity. Normally foreign policy is the terrain of bipartisanship;
the arena of taboos; the arena where Australias national interests are
supposed
Australia under attack
The Guardian, Monday October 11, 1999
John Pilger's latest diatribe against Australia contains a wide assortment
of distortions and errors (Australia's under side, October 5). But I cannot
allow to go unchallenged his claim that Australia's leadership of the UN
Although the SPD did not receive losses as severe as expected, the latest
round of elections in the east has brought further advances for the PDS.
Although Berlin is only 2/5 "east", in the eastern boroughs as a whole, it
won almost 40% of the vote. In Hohenschoenhausen it got over 45% of the
[from a work in progress.SP]
Notes on Development Theory Sam Pawlett
Introduction
Development theory took off after WWII with the first wave of
decolonization. The problems
facing the newly independent countries became of concern to
intellectuals who wanted to
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