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on 17/3/00 9:54 am, Yoshie Furuhashi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you know, LM (formerly Living Marxism), the iconoclastic British
magazine edited by Mike Hume, was found guilty of libel against ITN, the
British
Michael K. wrote:
Before rushing headlong into a heroic defence of the "oppressed", it would
be worth investigating further what it is we are being asked to support.
Because of the verdict on the ITN libel suit, LM can't post the article in
question -- Thomas Deichmann's "The Picture That
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on 17/3/00 11:14 am, Yoshie Furuhashi at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LM's coverage of the Yugoslav affairs the role of imperialism in it is
absolutely truer than ITN's.
Possibly. Over the piece I would not look to
On Thursday, March 16, 2000 at 23:14:23 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes:
Bill:
In the above cases, those subject to the speech have no costless way
to avoid it. I feel that the freedom to avoid the speech must also be
present to grant protection to the speaker.
You see, you are not defending
Michael Keaney wrote:
I recall correctly Louis Proyect has already highlighted the dubious
activities of LM to PEN-L; in fact, didn't Doug Henwood get some stick for
having an article published there?
Yes, and so what? "Dubious activities" are not enough of a
justification to put a magazine
By the way, this outcome undermines the argument that LM is some
sinister tool of British capital, doesn't it?
Doug
LM is/was a bizarre libertarian magazine that had cut its ties to the left
some time ago. Doug decided to publish in their pages fully knowing this.
Meanwhile he derides Alex
Michael Keaney wrote:
And speaking of questionable friends, among those rallying to the support of
LM, or at the very least taking Guardian journalist Ed Vulliamy to task for
attacking LM's defence of actions committed in the name of the Serbs, is no
less than Alfred Sherman,
Who?
as a
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on 17/3/00 1:51 pm, Doug Henwood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Keaney wrote:
I recall correctly Louis Proyect has already highlighted the dubious
activities of LM to PEN-L; in fact, didn't Doug Henwood get
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on 17/3/00 2:14 pm, Doug Henwood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Keaney wrote:
And speaking of questionable friends, among those rallying to the support of
LM, or at the very least taking Guardian journalist
Michael Keaney wrote:
To be critical of the verdict is not synonymous with supporting LM.
Not at all. Neither is writing for LM an act of solidarity. I've made
my differences with them pretty clear, and in the piece I did for
them, I said I hadn't made my peace with capitalism - implying, of
The thread covering the subjects of free speech and Living Marxism
seemed to me to be pretty well intertwined. Once you start attempting
to regulate speech and behavior, you can be certain that the regulations
will come back to haunt you. Recall how the Sherman antitrust act was
used against
Yoshie writes:
Should the CIA be allowed to plant stories, some of which lies, a few
of them true stories exaggerated for political purposes?
I wrote:
If we simply abolished the CIA, this issue would no longer be relevant. In
any event, freedom of speech isn't supposed to apply to the
In Eros and Civilization, Marcuse stated that in advanced industrial
society, with its rationalization of authority as administration,
"Rebellion now appears as the crime against the whole of human society and
therefore as beyond reward and beyond redemption."
That statement appears quaint after
Michael Perelman wrote:
I might repeat again that I do not regard pen-l as a publication bound
by the principles of free speech, but rather as a space in which a
certain type -- or will not go into the specifics here -- the exchange
can take place.
One of the difficulties with free speech
Michael Perelman wrote:
Now, to the part that gets ugly. I, like many others on this list, was
delighted to see Louis Proyect make an overture to Doug Henwood, and
then Doug to respond in kind. That for some reason, Lou lashed out
again. I will, as he suggested, ask him to sign off for a
I have to agree with Doug here.
Michael Yates
Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Now, to the part that gets ugly. I, like many others on this list, was
delighted to see Louis Proyect make an overture to Doug Henwood, and
then Doug to respond in kind. That for some reason, Lou
I understand. My concern was about the last time when he used Zizek, I
believe, to attack you. If you just read the post without understanding
the context, it was just fine, but it was intended to goad you.
I still think that he is very bright and has a lot to offer. I think that
this one
I am sorry. I was responding to Doug offlist, I thought. I still stand
by what I said. I think that Louis is very bright and has a lot to offer.
Louis himself mentions mood his mood swings on the list. I wish that he
and Doug could work together.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
from "Today's Papers" (SLATE, 3/17/00) :
The NY [TIMES] explains that the Vermont House vote will probably be
followed by Senate passage and become law soon, leaving the state with the
nation's most sweeping set of rights for same-sex couples. The areas of
parity with man-woman marriages
How important this strike settlement will be is an open question, but it may
end up being extremely important for a number of reasons.
1. As a general white collar union win, it raises the profile and
legitimacy of unions among a whole host of engineering and technical folks
who might not have
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish that he
and Doug could work together.
Hey, conflict can be productive too. Maybe we could do a thesis-antithesis act.
Doug
Nathan Newman wrote:
By bracketing major fights supporting everyone from minimum wage home health
care workers in Los Angeles to Boeing engineers, the AFL-CIO is hopefully
outlining a range of solidarity across sectors of the working class. Yeah,
lots of people on these lists disagree with what
Nathan:
That folks like Yoshie declare them anti-imperialists when they publicize so
many reactionary political positions amazes me. Some samples:
The point is, though, LM was _not_ done in for their obnoxious views on
feminism, environmentalism, or anything else. It is LM's questioning of
. . .
The regime of the political business cycle would be an artificial
restoration of the position as it existed in nineteenth-century
capitalism. Full employment would be reached only at the top of the
boom, but slumps would be relatively mild and short-lived.
Doug Henwood
This doesn't
Doug Henwood writes:
The regime of the political business cycle would be an artificial
restoration of the position as it existed in nineteenth-century
capitalism. Full employment would be reached only at the top of the
boom, but slumps would be relatively mild and short-lived.
Max ripostes:
Nathan N. wrote:
Yeah, lots of people on these lists disagree with what Sweeney et al [of
the AFL-CIO] are doing with that solidarity at times, but anyone should
admit that building a broader unified conception of the "working class" in
America is an important gain, especially given the
The person who used to be H. Rap Brown is now accused of shooting a
policeman in Atlanta today.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Devine wrote:
Right: The finance types are telling jokes about Greenspan and
questioning authority, while the National Association of
Manufacturers is telling him not to punish industry by monetary
policies aimed at cooling off finance.
So why has the Fed raised rates, and why is likely
Why is the 30 year bond yield going down and mortgage rates going up? I'll
check back in this space in 12-18 months.
Gene
Doug Henwood wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
Right: The finance types are telling jokes about Greenspan and
questioning authority, while the National Association of
At 06:48 PM 3/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
Right: The finance types are telling jokes about Greenspan and
questioning authority, while the National Association of Manufacturers is
telling him not to punish industry by monetary policies aimed at cooling
off finance.
So why has
Jim Devine wrote:
I thought I answered that. I wrote about how Greenspan is supposed
to be the capitalist Nanny who is supposed to decide what's good for
them as a class, in the long run. That doesn't mean that there's no
conflict between the Nanny and the brats...
True. As Chris Rude, ex of
My daughter attends a charter school in San Francisco. It is a public
school, open to all, with a unionized staff and about 4/5 of the
funding of comparably sized public schools, which means parent
involvement is not only expected but necessary. For instance, I will
spend this Saturday
Rod Hay wrote:
"On the issue of school control, favour a system which has central
standards and
guidelines that have to be met by all schools. Certain material that
has to be
mastered."
And just what are those standards? And what is that material? And
who is to say when it
If you saw what math training some of our college students have had then
mastering addition and substraction will definitely be an advantage.
xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor
Comparative International
I couldn't find 1988 Archives but I did check through some of the other articles
that Nathan mentions. His quotes are quite selective. Even though I read through
the articles quite quickly
I do not think that they deserve Nathan's dismissive attitude I get the
impression that LM accepts a wide
Yoshie is correct, but she does not go far enough. Too few of all sorts
of catergories post: too few from the non-anglo saxon world -- we have
people from all over the world -- too few of the lurkers post.
In the past, I have declared a couple of days when none of us regulars are
permitted to
This might be of interest to leftists of various stripes.
Carrol
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Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:34:35 -0800
From: Larry Sanger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Open content encyclopedia calls for submissions about history
A major new
As you know, LM (formerly Living Marxism), the iconoclastic British
magazine edited by Mike Hume, was found guilty of libel against ITN, the
British news station. LM has been ordered to pay $580,000 U.S. This
punishment is an attempt to crush the LM journalists for criticizing the
ITN film
Jim Heartfield wrote:
I don't have ITN's address to hand, but you can probably contact Channel
Four News (produced by ITN) through their website at www.channel4.co.uk
* http://www.itn.co.uk/company/feedback/feedback_index.htm
ITN is keen to hear your thoughts about our programmes and
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