Three reviewers of Frank's Reorient, and Frank's reply to them...very
hot dabate in the recent volume of _Review_:
Review XXII, 3, 1999
Samir Amin, "History Conceived as an Eternal Cycle"
Amin considers that Frank's static vision of the global system has
turned into a bland philosophy of
But seriously folks, DO we still speak of the Bilderbergers/Trilateral
Commission as either symbolic of, or central to, the role of
trans-national, trans-sectoral integrated first-world elites in shaping the
international political economy? There was a flurry of such talk a few
years back (Cox,
It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
who know nothing about science. The point of the rhetoric usually boils
down to the profound insight that scientists are people and as such are
influenced as others are by there social surroundings.
Rod
--
Rod Hay
[EMAIL
You "gather"? In truth you haven't a clue as to
either what our "policies" are or how they are
"determined". Our relation to the 'bigwigs' is
similar to yours with dead Trotskyists. We are
motivated by their interests, and we try to avoid
offending them.
To take the infamous example of trade,
Just by coincidence, I am in the next to final chapter of Frank's book,
which I strongly recommend to PEN-L'ers. Just a few tentative conclusions:
1. While repeatedly condemning Marx and Weber in the same breath, Frank
seems either unaware or willfully refuses to engage with the late Marx or
Three reviewers of Frank's Reorient, and Frank's reply to them...very
hot dabate in the recent volume of _Review_:
Review XXII, 3, 1999
Although these are just summaries of review-articles (?) by Amin, Wallerstein
and Arrighi of Frank's Re-Orient, it looks like there's not much in them
I usually don't forward David Bacon's excellent reports, but this one
raises a question for me: why do the janitors have so much relative
success, while other unions that would seem to have fewer advantages
have floundered? Of course, it is hard to move the janitorial jobs
abroad.
JANITORS
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on 10/4/00 12:00 pm, Rob Schaap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But seriously folks, DO we still speak of the Bilderbergers/Trilateral
Commission as either symbolic of, or central to, the role of
trans-national,
On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
I usually don't forward David Bacon's excellent reports, but this one
raises a question for me: why do the janitors have so much relative
success, while other unions that would seem to have fewer advantages
have floundered? Of course, it is hard to move the
Los Angeles Times, August 8, 1995:
The Service Employees International Union took desperately poor, Latino
immigrant janitors and turned them into a militant army of in-your-face
protesters powerful enough to force Los Angeles' biggest cleaning companies
to unionize.
Now, the janitors and
CONTRA EL TERRORISMO DE ESTADO EN BOLIVIA
La decisisn del gobierno boliviano de elevar en un 300% la tarifa del
agua ha desatado
la ira popular en Bolivia, un pams muy castigado ya por el hambre y el
desempleo.
Los violentos enfrentamientos, con epicentro en la ciudad de
Cochabamba y
Richard Lewontin and Stephan Gould are "scientists" in case you don't
knowand your science (socio-biology) is a "flat earth science"!
Mine
It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
who know nothing about science.
Rod
--
Rod Hay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The History
I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
backwardness was a
I had written: It's important to remember that there are markets are at
work here and that markets can work independently of the will of any
individual or company. But there are lots of problems with markets even
when individual manipulation and monopoly play no role.
Charles writes:
But I'd
Come on. We have had enough of this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Lewontin and Stephan Gould are "scientists" in case you don't
knowand your science (socio-biology) is a "flat earth science"!
Mine
It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
who know
I agree with what Nathan said, but that brings up another question: why
haven't other unions followed a similar tactic with enormous grassroots
organizing together with creative forms of activism. Didn't Justice for
Janitors lend a great deal of credibility to Sweeney's election?
--
Michael
Ricardo writes:
I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the left
about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
And neither Richard Lewontin nor Stephen Jay Gould has ever written a
cultural critique of science. They confront the science directly with
scientific arguments. Sociobiology is full of shit. But that doesn't make the
cultural critiques any more interesting.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard
Once every couple of weeks I play chess with John and Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a
long-time Nation subscriber and John, a lawyer by profession, is the kind
of New Yorker who voted for Giuliani. I usually let the two of them argue
politics since the gap between John and me is too wide to allow civil
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/09/00 04:46PM
(book review)
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CB: Thanks for this book review, Jim.
I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author was
explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be discussion
going back to
What I got from the Diamond book was not The Naked Ape, but more of an
environmental history. The European/Asian regions that developed had access to
large draft animals and easily harvested seeds. Close proximity to the large
mammals created diseases for which these people had immunity, making
Quoth Louis P: As soon as it came out, he began waving Jared Diamond's
book in our face. "See," he shouted, "we had nothing to do with black
people's suffering."
His interpretation of the book is wrong. It sounds like he hadn't read the
book. It's always a big mistake to praise (or, for that
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 12:44PM
Louis quotes a FINANCIAL TIMES review of Diamond's "Third Chimp" book:
To a disinterested observer from another planet, he reminds us, humanity
would be classified as just another large ape, a very close cousin to the
chimpanzees. We share more
Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that
prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk
on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology.
Here's a precious snippet from this nitwit (Steve Rosenthal)
from a couple
I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
backwardness was a
I don't know, West Africa was "more advanced" than Europe during the European Middle
Ages, the 500 years before 1500. The ecology didn't change in the interim.
I tend to think of Europe's leap forward over the rest of the world (not just Africa)
in the last 500 years, as an expression of a
true. that is what I "meant"...
Mine
Ted wrote:
I didn't intend to suggest that Mine had used the phrase "bourgeois
thinker". What I was getting at was the idea that seemed implicit in her
question that Marshall and Keynes could not have radical ideas because
they
were not in some sense or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could that be because the figure includes stock by-backs, which Doug
Henwood has been reminding us exceed stock issuance?
--
Yes, and takeovers. And the trend goes back to the early 1980s.
All this should be well known to readers of LBO and Wall Street.
Doug
I do know that Jim Blaut makes a few dismissive comments in Diamond's
direction. Myself, I have yet to see anything in the reviews that would
make me want to delve into his book. I first stumbled across Diamond about
ten years ago, when reviews portrayed him as a sociobiologist in the Robert
I don't know, West Africa was "more advanced" than Europe during the
European Middle Ages, the 500 years before 1500. The ecology didn't
change in the interim.
I tend to think of Europe's leap forward over the rest of the world
(not just Africa) in the last 500 years, as an expression of a
Ted Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 01:08PM
In Hegel's account of this, "class" is given an essential role. This is
found in his treatment of the master/slave "relation of production" in the
*Phenomenology of Mind*. The position of the slave in this relation is to
an important degree
I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
backwardness was
Because this discussion is effectively being perpetuated after your
warning, Michael, I am finalizing my comments to prevent a perpetuation
of misuderstanding.
And neither Richard Lewontin nor Stephen Jay Gould has ever written a
cultural critique of science. They confront the science directly
the east African coast, the House of Peace, have a name from a
language whose heartland is two thousand miles north?
Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
Africa.
Why isn't Dar-es-Salaam considered part of Black Africa? For that matter,
what constitutes Black
"Ricardo Duchesne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 03:42PM
I still think his argument is, by implication, a direct challege
to dependency theory, eventhough he never refers to this word; and he
certainly does not say that a process of "underdevelopment" occurs
in Africa after 1500. He is very
CB: Thanks for this book review, Jim.
you're welcome
I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author
was explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be
discussion going back to the origin of agriculture , which is 7,000 years
ago or so.
Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
Africa.
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CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent and racist theory.
Simply saying that one can, as Diamond does, draw a
1) I have not followed the entire thread closely. Is a distinction being
made between pre- and post-Arabicization/Islamicization?
2) This is factually incorrect in either case.
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
Egyptians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Libyans and others in the
Northern areas are "white".
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: This is an interesting thesis you put forth, but a question that arises
for me is that humans have tools and relations of production before they have
class exploitative relations of production ( master/slave relationship). So
the development of the forces of
but Sudan is classified as part of "Northern Africa", and sometimes Middle
East. Sudanese workers go to work in Egypt as seasonal workers. There is
some african labor force living in Egypt, particulary in the south, and
in other regions such as persian gulf states. This distinction between
Ricardo says that Diamond is a direct challenge to dependency theory. I
think that he would agree that institutions play a larger role after 1600
than before. He deals with before that time.
I've been browsing through Lexis-Nexis this afternoon on and off trying to
get a handle on Diamond. It
I agree with Lou. But on this an interesting exchange took place in Toronto
Star a few years ago. A Somalian refugee wrote a letter chastising the black
community for not doing more for refugees from that part of the world. Some one
responded that it was because they did not consider Somalians
This discussion was stupid before, now it has become idiotic. RACIST for
disagreeing with you?
I refuse any further correspondence on this issue, or I will start to
believe
that Henry has returned under another name.
Rod
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"cultural critique of science" is your
I am in a hurry right now, but this sort of discourse does not belong here!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since you are not strong enough to challange socio-biology and its sexism,
you automatically equate its critics with doing culturalism.. this is a
standard personal affront fashionable among
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 03:22PM
I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author
was explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be
discussion going back to the origin of agriculture , which is 7,000 years
ago or so.
"Ricardo Duchesne" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 04:27PM
Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
Africa.
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CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent and racist
I have already asked her to cool it. I would like you to back down also.
Rod Hay wrote:
This discussion was stupid before, now it has become idiotic. RACIST for
disagreeing with you?
I refuse any further correspondence on this issue, or I will start to
believe
that Henry has returned
I agree with Lou. But on this an interesting exchange took place in Toronto
Star a few years ago. A Somalian refugee wrote a letter chastising the black
community for not doing more for refugees from that part of the world.
Some one
responded that it was because they did not consider Somalians
Brad writes:
Ken Pomeranz's _The Great Divergence_ develops it to some degree--that the
very *success* of India and China at mobilizing resources gave them large
populations, and that Europe's earlier lack of success at mobilizing
resources gave at an extra edge of free resources that helped
Ted Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 03:57PM
Charles Brown wrote:
CB: This is an interesting thesis you put forth, but a question that arises
for me is that humans have tools and relations of production before they have
class exploitative relations of production ( master/slave
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/00 05:05PM
this doesn't contradict Diamond, for what it's worth. His emphasis,
however, is on how the unity of the Chinese empire (success) implied later
failure due to lack of dynamism.
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CB: This is consistent with the "law" of evolutionary
I've been browsing through Lexis-Nexis this afternoon on and off trying to
get a handle on Diamond. It appears that his theory lends itself to rather
clearcut differences between let's say the British settlers and the
aborigines of Australia and why one group conquered another. However, it
Charles Brown wrote:
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CB: Does this contradict what I said ? Humans have a higher degree of tool
development than animals before the "master/slave" relationship develops.
Hunters and gatherers have much higher tool development than animals.
__
I don't know. It depends
My friend (whose opinion I trust on just about everything) had this to say
about the book:
Yes, I've actually read the whole book. It's okay in some ways, but his
geographical determinism tends to undercut his avowed anti-racist
stance--notions of chance (contingency) get lost, so Diamond
Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
Africa.
__
CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent and racist theory.
Simply saying that one can, as Diamond does, draw
The following is an article published in
Oromia Quarterly Volume II Number 4 Volume III Number 1 July-December
1999.
Regards,
Thomas
The Political Aspects of Development
Problems: The Oromia Case
Temesgen Muleta- Erena
Introduction
The political rigor that tendered Oromia's history in
You wrote:
Also, it's so grand in its ambition
that historically specific moments come off looking merely like
manifestations of general, immutable laws. So much for agency,
responsibility, and finally politics, or the notion that anything could
have been (could be) different.
It has
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