Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
How about Theda Scokpol's and Brenner's critique of "liberal" and neo-smithian approaches of IW? xxx Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor Comparative International Development University of Washington

Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: there are also conference papers by Arrighi and Wallerstein (His article on _Rise and Demise of World System Theory_ is pretty useful in outlining some of the features of the world system theory. http://fbc.binghamton.edu/). Sure, but here's

Simmer down now! Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine, I'm hardly getting all bent out of shape about this question, why should I relax? Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June,2000

2000-07-12 Thread Brad De Long
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard Wallerstein speak recently. He was contemptuous of Marxists, implying that they had a simplistic way of looking at the world. Obviously, some of us do, but his characterization was all-inclusive. And don't you think that piece was just a little fevered? The

BLS Daily Report

2000-07-12 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, JULY 11, 2000 The Labor Department said that, in May, there were fewer announced [sic] layoffs and fewer workers laid off than in any similar period over the past 4 years (Wall Street Journal, "Work Week" feature, page A1). Salary increases will continue to average 4

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Michael Perelman
You are correct. Stephen E Philion wrote: I thought Michael was addressing himself to the generalizing comment he heard Wallerstein make, not necessarily to the theory itself. Steve -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread JKSCHW
What are you Doug, some kind of a commie? --jks In a message dated Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad De Long wrote: Yesterday the United States! Today the OECD! Tomorrow the World! (It ain't Utopia, but it's the only game in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread JKSCHW
Marxists are good people Mine approves of, ergo, Barrington Moore and Immanuel Wallerstein are Marxists, even though they rejected the label, while John Roemer and Jon Elster are not Marxists, even though they say they are. And _I_ am most definitely not a Marxist, whatever I say I am. --jks

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Stephen E Philion wrote: Mine, Aren't you giving labels to people in fact? I mean, would Wallerstein accept the appelation, "World System Marxist" ? I got my MA in his dept and I don't recall his ever using that term to describe his approach. You excoriate anyone who uses game theory in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marxists are good people Mine approves of, ergo, Barrington Moore and Immanuel Wallerstein are Marxists, even though they rejected the label, while John Roemer and Jon Elster are not Marxists, even though they say they are. And _I_ am most definitely not a Marxist,

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Dennis R Redmond wrote: On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: there are also conference papers by Arrighi and Wallerstein (His article on _Rise and Demise of World System Theory_ is pretty useful in outlining some of the features of the world system theory.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine wrote: fourth, I will appreciate if you do *not* contact me privately now or in the future. enough!! Mine, What are you talking about, contacting you privately? That post is plainly addressed to PEN, cc'd to youwhy would I want to contact you privately if I address the post to PEN?

Wallerstein on Kosovo

2000-07-12 Thread Ken Hanly
Here is an interesting analysis of the US (NATO) intervention in Kosovo. Strange he does not mention French or British (or Canadian :)) involvement. His predictions were partly wrong but partly right as well.. In his analysis of Milosevic's moving against Kosovan autonomy he misses the role of

Re: Re: Re:The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
This is exactly on the mark imho Steve On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jim Devine wrote: I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly learned from Marx Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research. (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.)

Suburban Genetics: Scientists Searching For a Perfect Lawn

2000-07-12 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The New York Times July 9, 2000, Sunday, Late Edition - Final SECTION: Section 1; Page 1; Column 6; Business/Financial Desk HEADLINE: Suburban Genetics: Scientists Searching For a Perfect Lawn BYLINE: By DAVID BARBOZA DATELINE: MARYSVILLE, Ohio, July 7 Standing in long rows in Greenhouse No. 3

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: My question is that "are *geo-politics* and *geo-economics* separate" in the way that you imply above? Of course they are; the dialectic of capital is that politics drives economics which in turn drives politics ad infinitum. The poles of the

Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of

2000-07-12 Thread Michael Hoover
I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly learned from Marx Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research. (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine Haven't read

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Michael Perelman
Mine, You are a very smart person, but you keep butting up against people. This sort of talk is not needed here. Mine Aysen Doyran wrote: fourth, I will appreciate if you do *not* contact me privately now or in the future. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I don't think Wallerstein ever claimed to be a Marxist, though he clearly learned from Marx Marxists and Marxist can learn some from his research. (In this, he is very similar to Barrington Moore.) Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, one

Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Hi Jim: Actually, it's not exactly on the mark. I want to emphasize that the problem is not mainstream methods _per se_ as much as the way that the Analytical Marxists decided that _only_ mainstream methods (for example, Walrasian general equilibrium theory and game theory for Roemer) were

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June, 2000

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
I don't keep people butting up. I just don't want some people to "cc" me. that is all I want. one can post his ideas on pen-l. he does not need to cc me, unless he asks my approval. Mine Michael Perelman wrote: Mine, You are a very smart person, but you keep butting up against people. This

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Upheavals of June,

2000-07-12 Thread michael
Steve said he did not write to you. Maybe he did. I don't care. If you have a gripe like that, write to him personally. I don't keep people butting up. I just don't want some people to "cc" me. that is all I want. one can post his ideas on pen-l. he does not need to cc me, unless he asks

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
M. H. wrote: Wallerstein's approach is circulation rather than production. Actually, he does emphasize production. Athony Brewer, in his famous book, _Marxist theories of Imperialism: A Critical Survey_ classifies IW's world system theory under the section of_Modern Marxist Theories of

FTR, Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:The Upheavals of June,

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
FTR, I didn't write to her personally. Because my unix system confuses me when I respond to messages from mass lists, sometimes I end up pressing the wrong respond to selection and only get the individual the post was sent from. So, I just add pen to the list. I frequently get inadvertently cc'd

Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-12 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 7/12/00 4:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, one responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the 2nd 3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist

Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 7/12/00 8:29:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a question. I realize that Robert Brenner identifies himself with Analytical Marxism, but I'm not sure what exactly stamps Brenner's work as Analytical Marxism (as opposed to other kinds of

Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine
Yoshie wrote: I have a question. I realize that Robert Brenner identifies himself with Analytical Marxism, but I'm not sure what exactly stamps Brenner's work as Analytical Marxism (as opposed to other kinds of Marxism). hi, Yoshie. Bob develops abstract models, like his piece in the

Re: Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analys...

2000-07-12 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: Originally, I'd say that Analytical Marxism was a kind of Marxism, one responding to dissatisfaction with both the "orthodox" Marxism of the 2nd 3rd Internationals and Althusserian structuralist Marxism. But combining Marxist propositions with the narrow-minded method of orthodox

Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Ken Hanly wrote: I read through this but I fail to see anything that I can identify with Marxism. I only recall capitalism mentioned once. Capitalism does not seem to enter as a unit of analysis. mentioned once?? In the _Modern World System_ and _The Capitalist World Economy_ capitalism is

Re: Re: Re: The Rise and Future Demise ofWorld-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Yoshie wrote: I realize that Robert Brenner identifies himself with Analytical Marxism, but I'm not sure what exactly stamps Brenner's work as Analytical Marxism (as opposed to other kinds of Marxism). here is Brenner/Wallerstein debate by Giovanni Arrighi! -- Mine Aysen Doyran PhD

Re: Re: Re:The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
Mine wrote: World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical Marxism in 5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism Steve writes: I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the AM question actually...and of course Marxists like Brenner, Petras,..have

Re: Re: Re: Re:The Rise and Future Demise of World-Systems Analysis

2000-07-12 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Stephen E Philion wrote: Mine wrote: World System Marxism overcomes two limitations of Analytical Marxism in 5 *weak* areas 1) methodolological individualism Steve writes: I've never heard world system theorists addressing themselves to the AM question actually...and of course

Re: Suburban Genetics: Scientists Searching For a Perfect Lawn

2000-07-12 Thread Ken Hanly
This article contains a factual error about Monsanto. Monsanto does not have the "terminator" technology. In fact it gave public notice that it was not going to develop it and it did not buy the company that has the technology.. The patent for the technology is jointly held still by the USDA and

Union busting in the academy - urgent! (fwd)

2000-07-12 Thread Michael Hoover
Dear progressives, Included in this email is some information on a labour dispute at the University of Toronto. The part-time bookstore workers, who recently unionized, are fighting for a fair first contract. The University of Toronto Press, which is owned wholly by U of T, has