You are assuming that everyone knows that 2 + 2 = 4 or Ottawa is the capital
of Canada. Some people could care less and it may or may not be a part of
what makes up their reality.
If you know any one whose reality doesn't include 2 + 2 = 4, I
*strongly* recommend that you urge them to trade it
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w,
el 2 Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
nationalist-militarist iconography--that you win honor by killing
others and dying for your hierarchical
An interesting excerpt from a column written a couple of years ago
by The Nation's own neoconservative leftist, Eric Alterman, part of
a classic pomo-bashing screed:
"But here's the twist. [Labor historian Nelson] Lichtenstein is part
of a perfectly Rortyite reformist Campaign for a Living
G'day Nicole,
You are assuming that everyone knows that 2 + 2 = 4 or Ottawa is the
capital
of Canada. Some people could care less and it may or may not be a part of
what makes up their reality. If something is not part of a person's
reality
then it can not possibly influence what they think
Greetings penellers
Many moons ago I had what became a heated discussion with Herb Gintis about
economic technocracy, and when I compared the latter with autism he, not
surprisingly, took umbrage.
At the time, I had just encountered a wonderful documentary by Oliver Sacks
on autism and its
on 9/4/00 12:25 AM, Keaney Michael at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AUTISM AND THE CRISIS OF MEANING Alexander Durig
From the description, that certainly sounds like a huge steaming pile of
crap.
We don't need an appreciation of what autism can teach us about about our
fucking selfish selves via
Bill
Whatever the book's limitations, Durig's contention that "normal" and
"autistic" are not necessarily discrete categories seems helpful in
circumventing the sort of implicitly discriminatory demarcation highlighted
by Doyle.
I brought this up in the context of a discussion of the
Where do you get the idea that I assume that everyone knows that 2 plus 2 is
4 or that Ottawa is the capital of Canada? I don't. Why should I. It would
be a false assumption, as you point out. Not false for you and false for me
but just plain ordinary false. What significance has the fact that
RE the 'fact' that 2+2 = 4:
2 + 2 = 11 to someone using base 3.
Eric
En relación a [PEN-L:1209] Re: Re: Re: A slight advantage of po,
el 3 Sep 00, a las 11:00, Brad De Long dijo:
En relación a [PEN-L:1168] Re: A slight advantage of poverty (w, el 2
Sep 00, a las 7:49, Brad De Long dijo:
I would have thought that we would approve the replacement of
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your cherished and
respected political leaders, aged above 60, run to escape tear gas
and you can physically feel the
Except of course there are situations where
2+2 does not equal 4, such as when one is adding
angles on the surface of the earth...
Barkley Rosser
-Original Message-
From: Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:13 AM
That is essentially correct. I think they started in the
1940s. They published articles supposedly written
by "Bourbaki." Don't remember if this mythical Bourbaki
had a first name. I don't know if any such articles are still
being written. But, they emphasized an excessive
obsession
Doug,
Yes, some pomos are politically active. But here at
JMU a pomo sociology prof told a human rights conference
last spring put on by Amnesty International that instead of writing
letters to Interior Ministers around the world protesting the
treatment of political prisoners, they should
This question is actually put to everyone -- What are your feelings on
Jean Baudrillard?
-Nico
below is slightly revised portion of post I sent to Lou Proyect's marxism
list a coupla years ago... Michael Hoover
JB doesn't matter much these days (some would say he never did), even he has
I think that Bourbaki's first "name" was Nickolai.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just to refresh people's memory on Baudrillard, he is a leading French
postmodernist thinker who has achieved some notoriety in recent years for
two of his "interventions." On the eve of the Gulf War, he argued that
television had made actual war superfluous. He predicted an unceasing
spectacle
this book sounds good. From the summary, it sounds like it fits with what
I've gleaned from studying autism:
1) there are different degrees of autism along a spectrum. Attwood draws
this spectrum as going from classical autism to high-functioning autism to
Asperger's syndrome to "loner." (In
michael,
Sounds right except for the "c." Probably Nikolai.
I've never heard of anybody named "Nickolai" in any
language.
Barkley Rosser
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:50 PM
At 11:32 AM 09/04/2000 -0400, you wrote:
I think they started in the
1940s. They published articles supposedly written
by "Bourbaki." Don't remember if this mythical Bourbaki
had a first name. I don't know if any such articles are still
being written.
sounds a little bit like Isidore Nabi, a
Barkley wrote:
Except of course there are situations where
2+2 does not equal 4, such as when one is adding
angles on the surface of the earth...
this says that the nature of truth depends on the objective context. It
doesn't deny the importance of objective context. On the other hand,
Brad De Long wrote:
An interesting excerpt from a column written a couple of years ago
by The Nation's own neoconservative leftist, Eric Alterman, part of
a classic pomo-bashing screed:
"But here's the twist. [Labor historian Nelson] Lichtenstein is
part of a perfectly Rortyite reformist
G'day Nico,
But isn't that the way the world really is: lots of people saying, "that's
just an interpretation and it is not mine." Aren't current academic debates
nothing but arguments trying to sway one side or another, debating "the
truth."
Yep. You make that sound as if that's bad thing!
to: Friends and Associates
from: Jesse Lemisch mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
(890 West End Avenue, 8b, NY NY 10025)[History Department, John
Jay College of Criminal Justice of the City University of NY]
Joanne Landy [Member, Editorial Board, New Politics
Barkley wrote:
Except of course there are situations where
2+2 does not equal 4, such as when one is adding
angles on the surface of the earth...
this says that the nature of truth depends on the objective context.
It doesn't deny the importance of objective context. On the other
hand,
J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote:
Yes, some pomos are politically active. But here at
JMU a pomo sociology prof told a human rights conference
last spring put on by Amnesty International that instead of writing
letters to Interior Ministers around the world protesting the
treatment of
Louis Proyect wrote:
The problem with Baudrillard is that he blames this not just vulgarized
Marxism, but science itself for the oppression of primitive peoples. In
this he is consistent with people like Bruce Robbins
Oh really? What of Robbins' work are you thinking of?
Doug
Jim Devine wrote:
Barkley wrote:
Except of course there are situations where
2+2 does not equal 4, such as when one is adding
angles on the surface of the earth...
this says that the nature of truth depends on the objective context.
It doesn't deny the importance of objective context.
We went through this before, but I'd say that the paragraph
undermines the entire thesis of his article, but he seemed not to
notice. When Martin Duberman appeared at the Nation's offices last
year to talk about his collection Left Out - which is all about how
sexual politics and other kinds
(was: Re: [PEN-L:1209] Re: Re: Re: A slight advantage of poverty (was Re:
Random thoughts on Big Brother, advertising and the Internet))
Brad wrote:
So does the iconography of the square focus on the triumph of liberty? Is
it like the Place of the Bastille, or the Lincoln Memorial, or the 55th
Barkley must be a disciple of Mill. For most philosophers 2 plus 2 is 4 does
not entail any empirical claim and that would include the claim that a two
degree angle and another two degree angle add up to a four degree angle on
the surface of the earth--assuming this is what Barkley is talking
In a message dated 9/4/00 2:27:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So should I issue a blanket condemnation of economics as
a criminal enterprise, to quote Jim O'Connor?
It's sort of tempting, isn't it? --jks
Assuming sameness may work well for political motivation. I can see where
this would be a necessary tool for activism. But, without the ability to
recognize difference that postmodernism delves into (pomos pointed in this
direction theoretically by feminism) then the activism you portend would
Hi Doug,
Sounds about right actually. The point this author neglects to make is that
movements start with small steps just like this one. Is it so demeaning to
focus on a living wage for a group of workers who are not only thought the
least of by most people (remember the scene from Breakfast
Hi Louis,
This movie sounds great. I wish it was playing here in Atlanta.
Do you happen to know who the author of this piece is? Do you think this is
a postmodern/liberal reaction by the author of this piece in the Village
Voice?
-Nico
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 9/4/00 2:37:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Most "truths" aren't of the 2+2=4 variety, at least the truths of
political economy. Is a certain income distribution fair? Is a
certain production process efficient? Are men and women equal? Where
does
Oh really? What of Robbins' work are you thinking of?
Doug
I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children an
exploited class?
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/
In a message dated 9/4/00 3:58:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
BTW, ever met anyone who didn't know the capital of Canada?
Canada has a capital? --jks
Do you happen to know who the author of this piece is? Do you think this is
a postmodern/liberal reaction by the author of this piece in the Village
Voice?
-Nico
The reviewer is Amy Taubin and the review is online at:
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0035/taubin.shtml.
During the glorious
-Original Message-
From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: post-autistic economics
As I am again later today going to try to
unsub off pen-l (tempting to stay, good discussions
right
I hope the long piece on autism I have forwarded
reaches the list. I had sent it this morning, but to the
wrong address. Maybe that will happen again when
I try to unsub in a few minutes before I take off for
the day (we had to work here in anti-union Virginia today).
Anyway, if it
Lou,
How can you argue that Paul Berman is one of the scummiest human beings on
the planet earth but Russel Means is someone we should hold in high
esteem, even if he did aggressively play a role in helping Reagan get
contra funding?
Steve
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
Do you
Lou,
How can you argue that Paul Berman is one of the scummiest human beings on
the planet earth but Russel Means is someone we should hold in high
esteem, even if he did aggressively play a role in helping Reagan get
contra funding?
Steve
I don't hold Russell Means in high esteem. My analysis
Louis Proyect wrote:
I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children an
exploited class?
Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my mind.
Doug
Well there is the official capital Ottawa and the actual capital Washington.
Except for the likes of Bill Burgess :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:1246] Pomocanadianism
Calling Dr. Becker, Calling Dr. Becker.
Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my mind.
Doug
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Half baked references to Marxian ideas seem to have become intellectually
fashionable:-
From today's International Herald Tribune.
Libertarians No Longer Rule the Net
By Sebastian Mallaby The Washington Post
snip
This argument had a rather
En relación a [PEN-L:1218] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A slight advanta,
el 4 Sep 00, a las 7:12, Brad De Long dijo:
It is good to risk one's own life for revolution. And in the
battlefield (I ignore if you have ever had that experience, even that
of the modest battlefield of a square where your
En relación a [PEN-L:1253] Re: Pomocanadianism,
el 4 Sep 00, a las 16:40, Ken Hanly dijo:
Well there is the official capital Ottawa and the actual capital
Washington. Except for the likes of Bill Burgess :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
Similitudes between Canada and Argentina are striking. We
In a message dated 9/4/00 5:34:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll answer you after right after you answer this question. Are children
an
exploited class?
Are they an investment good? A consumption good? I just can't make up my
mind.
Doug
An expensive
-- Forwarded Message --
From: neil, 74742,1651
TO:
DATE: 9/4/00 6:23 PM
RE: labor day 2000 The more things change--The more they remain the
same
Another bosses election circus is upon us. The corporate mass media says it
is funded by "campaign contributions."
Barkley wrote:
Except of course there are situations where
2+2 does not equal 4, such as when one is adding
angles on the surface of the earth...
I wrote:
this says that the nature of truth depends on the objective context. It
doesn't deny the importance of objective context. On the
Doyle writes:
While I have little argument with these summary remarks about how to
characterize classical views, I am wondering why disembodiment gives Jim a
problem.
I don't think that disembodiment (as far as I understand this concept) is
the full story, since I think that understanding
I scanned this in and put it up at: http://www.marxmail.org/kautsky.htm. As
folks know, my cyberpal Forwarded by Anthony is doing some serious research
into ground rent and the agrarian question. I thought that this
introduction is of sufficient general interest to make it available on the
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