It is reported that since the defeat of Milosevic, Serb television for the
first time has carried reports of Serb atrocities.
The ability of the press to investigate these has been a crucial lack
during the previous regime and a mark of the national chauvinist essence
behind its public
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From: "Jim Devine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Nathan wrote: ... when a people democratically support atrocities by their
-government, it is not just the leadership that bears responsibility but
-the people themselves.
this sounds as if you are
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This is a Press Release/Statement from the Black Radical Congress
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Current Conflict in Israel and the Occupied Territories
Statement by the National Coordinating
En relación a [PEN-L:2914] Re: Re: Yugoslavia to fSU and Chile,
el 10 Oct 00, a las 0:36, Nathan Newman dijo:
Contra many folks, though, I think the US's collective guilt has far
less to do with its particular military actions, some of which like
Kosovo and Haiti I can defend, but in its
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From: "Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contra many folks, though, I think the US's collective guilt has far
less to do with its particular military actions, some of which like
Kosovo and Haiti I can defend, but in its collective
Burford wrote:
Further evidence of the class target of the Kostunica revolution: a small
number of semi-capitalist semi-bureacrats, semi-entrepreneurs.
Yes, it's too bad that they are acting on behalf of a much more powerful
class that is located on Wall Street and London's City. Furthermore,
Burford:
It is just possible the key security policeman, at present anonymous, may
have been a direct CIA agent. But I would have thought that the CIA would
concentrate on gathering information, spreading false information and
facilitating alliances rather than master-minding the key action in
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2000
RELEASED TODAY: Total nonfarm employment rose by 252,000 in September, and
the unemployment rate declined to 3.9 percent. After adjusting for the net
return of striking workers (75,000) and a further decline in the number of
temporary census jobs
It seems to be a constant with Anglo politics that
they will always kill you or rob you on the basis of some
"principle", as the Irishman George Bernard Shaw once pointed out...
And this is worse than robbing or killing you on the basis of no principle? --jks
The CIA most certainly master-minded the counter-revolution in Yugoslavia.
It has their modus operandi stamped all over it.
They killed Kennedy too, along with Mob and the Cubans, decided to cut their losses.
And Elvis. And Marylin Monroe. And they have their eye on YOU, Louis! --jks
geez, 550 msgs awaiting me this morning. maybe i should sleep in the office
on weekends?
assuming the statements below are based on hard facts, how to get ahold of
these historical per capita GDP data in one or two places for as many
countries as possible as far back as possible?
i tried UN,
Brad DeLong wrote:
I believe Paul Davidson, who regardless of your theoretical leanings must be
considered a foremost authority on Keynes, was excluded from the
JEP's symposium
on Keynesian Economics.
Cheap shots.
*None* of the people writing in the symposium--neither Tobin,
Mankiw, Romer,
Davidson is not merely an authority on Keynes but of Keynesian Economics of all
varieties, and in comparison to other trends in macro, such as new classical,
rational expectations etc. He has a whole story, but I don't think we need to
dig up the details.
In Heilbroner's case, he is not the kind
addendum to my last post on per capita GDP request: how to get inequality
indicators for as many countries as far back as possible? other social
indicators available as well?
thanks,
norm
-Original Message-
From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, October 07,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They killed Kennedy too, along with Mob and the Cubans, decided to cut their losses.
And Elvis. And Marylin Monroe. And they have their eye on YOU, Louis! --jks
Oh come now. CIA activity in the overthrow of states the U.S. dislikes is fairly well
established.
Yes. Davidson's early book on Keyenesian economics was the first to emphasize
Keynes's radical uncertainty as opposed to hydraulic Keynesianism. Others, such
as Shackle, preceded him, but they did not write in the language of
macroeconomics.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Could someone enlighten me -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to be a constant with Anglo politics that
they will always kill you or rob you on the basis of some
"principle", as the Irishman George Bernard Shaw once pointed out...
And this is worse than robbing or killing you on the basis of no principle? --jks
The LA TIMES reported on October 8, 2000, that The constitution gives
Kostunica, who prides himself on following the letter of the law, little
power over this divided country. As he tries to consolidate his
"democratic revolution," he risks following too closely in the footsteps
of
I wrote:
does anyone want to share a hotel room at the ASSA convention?
please answer off-list.
Gene Coyle writes:
Depends on who it is.
It's a matter of sharing a Disney Corporation audio-animatron that looks a
lot like me and is programmed to simulate my personality.
Jim Devine [EMAIL
Michael Perelman wrote:
Yes. Davidson's early book on Keyenesian economics was the first to emphasize
Keynes's radical uncertainty as opposed to hydraulic Keynesianism.
But that's in the GT, and expressed better. My sense is that Davidson
gets so carried away with nonergodicity that you
I also believe that Davidson can overemphasize this. But, the critique of the
assumptions of perfect information and perfect foresight in neoclassical is
important and the distinctions between
imperfect information and uncertainty and risk and uncertainty are important.
Also, Davidson does say
Néstor wrote:
It seems to be a constant with Anglo politics that
they will always kill you or rob you on the basis of some
"principle", as the Irishman George Bernard Shaw once pointed out...
JKS wrote:
And this is worse than robbing or killing you on the basis of no
principle? --jks
At 10:40 AM 10/10/00 EDT, you wrote:
The CIA most certainly master-minded the counter-revolution in Yugoslavia.
It has their modus operandi stamped all over it.
They killed Kennedy too, along with Mob and the Cubans, decided to cut
their losses. And Elvis. And Marylin Monroe. And they have
forwarded by Michael Hoover
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Dear friend,
Several months ago, we at Common Courage corresponded with an Indiana
death-row prisoner named Zolo Agona Azania. Currently working on a
manuscript, he is a
The Gazette (Montreal), June 27, 1999, FINAL
Clinton working to get Milosevic out of office: Using array of weapons in
campaign
DOYLE MCMANUS
WASHINGTON President Bill Clinton has decided to mount a concerted campaign
to remove Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic from power and is
The Times (London), October 10, 2000, Tuesday
Serbia eases path to royal homecoming
Daniel McGrory, Michael Binyon and Alan Hamilton
PRESIDENT KOSTUNICA yesterday opened the door to a return home for the
Yugoslav Royal Family, exiled in Britain since the Second World War. . .
The country's
USA TODAY, October 10, 2000, Tuesday, FIRST EDITION
Rebuilding Yugoslavia U.S. may lift sanctions, opening $4B market
Dina Temple-Raston and Bill Nichols
The Clinton administration may lift some sanctions imposed against
Yugoslavia during the 1999 Kosovo war as early as today, a move that
I sent this yesterday, but it bounced.
I get a little skeptical of the claims made by the U.S. about the human
rights
violations of those whom the United States government chooses to
demonize. I'm
not attractive to nationalists of any kind, whether they be Serbian,
Bosnian,
or citizens of the
Los Angeles Times, October 10, 2000, Tuesday, Home Edition
OFFICIAL FROM THE SERBIAN TOWN OF CACAK ORCHESTRATED A MASS POLICE
DEFECTION THAT ALLOWED FOR THE STORMING OF PARLIAMENT.
RICHARD BOUDREAUX, TIMES STAFF WRITER
CACAK, Yugoslavia
Policemen used to take Velimir Ilic aside after his
forwarded by Michael Hoover
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Greg Asbed" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:04:24 -
Subject: [TampaBayActionGroup] New and Improved CIW Web Site
Just a quick note to let everyone know that the Coalition of
Immokalee Workers has a new, re-modeled
Louis Proyect quoted the LA Times:
But the mayor of Cacak did what no one had managed to do during Milosevic's
13 years of Communist-style rule: bridge the opposition movement and a
feared, combat-hardened police force whose ranks were growing steadily more
uneasy with their role as political
Could you explain how this article supports your position?
Doug
I have long ago told you that I was not in the business of answering these
kinds of questions, Doug. I have made my position clear in thousands of
words posted to PEN-L. If they are not clear to you at this point, no
further
Louis Proyect wrote:
Could you explain how this article supports your position?
Doug
I have long ago told you that I was not in the business of answering these
kinds of questions, Doug. I have made my position clear in thousands of
words posted to PEN-L. If they are not clear to you at this
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Policemen from Cacak who confirmed Ilic's account of the defections said
they expect the changes to restore dignity and higher pay to a force
sullied by four distant wars in the Balkans
full article at
http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=Viewc=Articlecid=FT3UAUTI4ECliv
e=truetagid=ZZZOMSJK30Csubheading=US
'Investor class' may hold the key to the White House door
By Aravind Adiga
Steven Weinstein, a 23-year-old New York University law student and amateur
stock market
At 07:57 07/10/00 +0100, I wrote:
One of the key pointers on the new Kostunica regime will be whether
Filopovic is released. Filipovic was imprisoned for revealing evidence of
Yugoslav military atrocities in Kosovo. An appeal has already been made.
From the BBC today:
Miroslav Filipovic was
full article http://www.timesofindia.com/today/10busu1.htm
RBI sees slower growth; interest rates unchanged
NEW DELHI: The Reserve Bank of India (RBI) forecast slower than expected
economic growth and left lending rates unchanged on Tuesday as it released
its monetary and credit policy for the
So this article indicates that Milosevic's fall was internally generated, by
his brutality and by his corruption.
Yes, outside funding and pressure pushed the situation towards his removal,
but this article posted by Louis shows how clearly Milosic's legitimacy had
collapsed even among his
Doug Henwood:
Cops and citizens joined in seeing the regime as massively corrupt.
If this comports with socialism, maybe I'm not a socialist after all.
Actually, there are different kinds of socialism. There is Marxian
socialism and then there is the socialism that is either indifferent to or
I think that we can all agree that there was considerable discontent in
Serbia. Some of it was undoubtedly internally generated. Certainly the
bombing contributed a great deal. No doubt Western intelligence
agencies did want ever they could to make things worse. No doubt the
promise of
Right, nothing could help. By Lou's reasoning, the involvement of units of the Czarist
military in the Bolshevik revolution supports the idea that it was an imperialiast
coup inspired by German military intelligence. Actuslly there is rather more support
for that notion than the idea that Lou
Louis Proyect wrote:
Who is Driscoll? Some postmodernist scribbler?
The excellent Catherine Driscoll, an Australian feminist and cult
stud scholar. She once said she wasn't finished with a paper because
she hadn't yet figured out what questions to ask her answers. I've
incorporated this
Justin:
In a message dated 10/8/00 4:52:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have never said that Milosevic is a
proponent of socialism
I am relieved; I thought you were losing it. One could have got that
impression.
Why so? I don't think anyone who has read my posts on
Right, nothing could help. By Lou's reasoning, the involvement of units of
the Czarist military in the Bolshevik revolution supports the idea that it
was an imperialiast coup inspired by German military intelligence. Actuslly
there is rather more support for that notion than the idea that Lou is
I think that we can all agree that there was considerable discontent in
Serbia. Some of it was undoubtedly internally generated. Certainly the
bombing contributed a great deal. No doubt Western intelligence
agencies did want ever they could to make things worse. No doubt the
promise of
The excellent Catherine Driscoll, an Australian feminist and cult
stud scholar. She once said she wasn't finished with a paper because
she hadn't yet figured out what questions to ask her answers. I've
incorporated this formula into my philosophy of life.
Doug
Oh. Here's my philosophy:
This
- Original Message -
From: "Louis Proyect" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Again, I have to remind Nathan that as a Marxist I use different
terminology than him. For me a revolution involves progressive
transformation of property relations, such as took place in the American
BTW, Davidson does make formal models, now and then, so he shouldn't be
ruled out of court by King Krugman. (See his model of the finance demand
for money in MONEY IN THE REAL WORLD, for example.)
At 10:54 AM 10/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
I also believe that Davidson can overemphasize this. But,
At 04:15 PM 10/10/00 -0400, you wrote:
Again, I have to remind Nathan that as a Marxist I use different
terminology than him. For me a revolution involves progressive
transformation of property relations, such as took place in the American
Civil War or October 1917. In Yugoslavia, we are dealing
BTW, Davidson does make formal models, now and then, so he shouldn't
be ruled out of court by King Krugman. (See his model of the finance
demand for money in MONEY IN THE REAL WORLD, for example.)
Except that Paul Krugman said *nothing* at all about Paul Davidson, pro or con.
What was said
So is there some age limit on this "responsibility"? Are ten year old's
guilt=free? Are those suffering Alzheimers'
excluded? Are those who voiced opposition or even disapproved in thought OK?
Aren't Americans going to need
a humungous throng of shrinks to help Americans deal with their
Doug Henwood said on 10/10/00 11:45 AM
Cops and citizens joined in seeing the regime as massively corrupt.
If this comports with socialism, maybe I'm not a socialist after all.
I wanted to use the opportunity to ask if this cop/citizen notion offers
cause to reconsider your "Never!" response
At 02:48 PM 10/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
BTW, Davidson does make formal models, now and then, so he shouldn't be
ruled out of court by King Krugman. (See his model of the finance demand
for money in MONEY IN THE REAL WORLD, for example.)
Except that Paul Krugman said *nothing* at all about Paul
Might not the upsurge against Kostunica be considered as a speeding-up of
the process that Milosevic started, i.e., the privatization of state
property in Serbia? it also would be a broadening of the transformation of
property rights, since the beneficiaries of the privatization would no
At 09:26 10/10/00
Burford:
It is just possible the key security policeman, at present anonymous, may
have been a direct CIA agent. But I would have thought that the CIA would
concentrate on gathering information, spreading false information and
facilitating alliances rather than
Burford:
The difference between Burford (as he calls me) and Proyect, is that
Proyect seems deliberately to avoid the concrete analysis of the internal
causes that led to the fall of the Milsevic regime, in favour of repeating
only half correctly that the external cause was undoubtedly the
[full article http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/WED/FPAGE/wto.2.html ]
Paris, Wednesday, October 11, 2000
China's Entry to WTO Unraveling
Beijing Appears to Resist Opening Markets and Reforming Laws
By John Pomfret and Philip P. Pan Washington Post Service
BEIJING - The final round of talks over
"Sinister" is I think too strong.
Brad:
Except that Paul Krugman said *nothing* at all about Paul Davidson, pro or con.
What was said was that there was something sinister about Paul
Davidson, noted expert on Keynes, not appearing in the _Journal of
Economic Perspectives_ in 1993.
Brad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/00 10:55AM
That said, the masses can make errors, too, as all of us can.
(((
CB: I thought it was disturbing a few years ago when the Labor Party Prime Minister (
President ? ) of Israel was assassinated for his peace efforts by a rightwing student,
and then
[was: Re: Re: Cops from Cacak play key role in Kostunica coup]
I wrote: Might not the upsurge against Kostunica be considered as a
speeding-up of the process that Milosevic started, i.e., the privatization
of state property in Serbia? it also would be a broadening of the
transformation of
En relación a [PEN-L:2965] Memory History: Herman Melville's ,
el 10 Oct 00, a las 17:51, Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
What has not changed,
however, is the idea that it is Americans who should bring criminals
of the world to justice. It goes without saying that this self-image
makes Americans
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Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
What has not changed,
however, is the idea that it is Americans who should bring criminals
of the world to justice. It goes without saying that this self-image
makes Americans forget the fact that they are the biggest criminals:
the only remaining superpower
The Observer (London) October 8, 2000
Dearer essentials, worse poverty and shorter lives:
Internal IMF study reveals the price 'rescued' nations pay
by Greg Palast
So call me a liar. I was standing in front of the New York Hilton Hotel
when the limousine carrying International Monetary Fund
I just got an advertisement for Politics and Society, with an
announcement of the new article by Jim Devine. Jim may have mentioned
this article at one point, but not recently. I think that it is useful
for people on the list to keep the rest of us apprised of their work.
Maybe you can tell us
Michael you wrote:
I just got an advertisement for Politics and Society, with an
announcement of the new article by Jim Devine. Jim may have mentioned
this article at one point, but not recently. I think that it is useful
for people on the list to keep the rest of us apprised of their work.
DR BANKENSTEIN'S MONSTERS:
THE WORLD BANK, THE IMF AND THE ALIENS WHO ATE ECUADOR
INSIDE CORPORATE AMERICA
by Gregory Palast
The Observer, London
Sunday, 8 October 2000
So call me a liar. I was standing in front of the New York Hilton Hotel
a couple weeks ago when the limousine
Ian:
Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
What has not changed,
however, is the idea that it is Americans who should bring criminals
of the world to justice. It goes without saying that this self-image
makes Americans forget the fact that they are the biggest criminals:
the only remaining
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