voting

2000-11-07 Thread neil
Yes, Jim D., true sure "they" give you a little red -white and blue sticker for your so-called duty to vote. But the "they" is a courtesy of the capitalists political state machinery for going along with and promoting the illusion that common folk have some say-so over the governments actions

RE: Chattel Slavery, Colonialism, Capitalism

2000-11-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Can you name three authors who propose A.? I don't know of anyone (so I would say name one, but this is how you characterize Lou's argument, so I want to save time). Certainly no one I can think of writing in the Williams-Rodney thesis tradition. I am certainly willing to hear the arguments.

Re: Re: The Subject is Capital

2000-11-07 Thread Rob Schaap
A quick rant, Reverend Tom ... by way of testimony from the congregation. As Charlie Andrews so pungently summarises the whole sad business, "By living his life the worker produces his capacity to work." The raison d'etre of the dispossessed is to produce commodities - 'his' being is not an

Re: The Brenner thesis, Spain and Ireland

2000-11-07 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/00 05:31PM I wish people would try to keep emotion out of debates. Try to be clear and logical. Unless you like flame wars, of course. CB: Isn't this some kind of positivist or abstractionist foible, to think that emotion and clarity of logic are like

Re: Re: Re: The Subject is Capital

2000-11-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Being tone deaf, I'd like to stand with the choir and lip-synch. Gene Coyle Rob Schaap wrote: A quick rant, Reverend Tom ... by way of testimony from the congregation. As Charlie Andrews so pungently summarises the whole sad business, "By living his life the worker produces his capacity to

Fwd: Elections

2000-11-07 Thread Jim Devine
Here's an e-mail I received from Mitchell Cohen. I have his permission to forward this to you. I know that this is a bit late, but if Garry Trudeau can use his Doonesberry cartoon to electioneer today, so can I. No matter who's elected, we're still going to be "in the trenches" to resist his

Re: Re: The Brenner thesis, Spain and Ireland

2000-11-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:08 AM 11/7/00 -0500, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/00 05:31PM I wish people would try to keep emotion out of debates. Try to be clear and logical. Unless you like flame wars, of course. CB: Isn't this some kind of positivist or abstractionist foible, to think that

Cell Phoneys

2000-11-07 Thread Jim Devine
from SLATE: The NY [TIMES] reports that British researchers have theorized that cell phones act as plumage for males to attract mates. Observing a bar in Liverpool, the scientists discovered that while women keep their phones in their purse and use them only as needed, men display them

Re: Re: The Brenner thesis, Spain and Ireland

2000-11-07 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/00 11:37AM At 11:08 AM 11/7/00 -0500, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/06/00 05:31PM I wish people would try to keep emotion out of debates. Try to be clear and logical. Unless you like flame wars, of course. CB: Isn't this some kind of positivist or

Re: Cell Phoneys

2000-11-07 Thread Michael Perelman
My teacher in an undergraduate class in development economics claimed that Parker pens used to carry on a brisk business in selling caps for pens that Indians used to carry around in a shirt pocket. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA

RE: Re: capitalism, patriarchy wealth

2000-11-07 Thread Forstater, Mathew
(trouble with e-mail, so cannot see what others may have posted on this before I send it) re: "third worldism" Let me preface my remarks that the term "third worldism" as a pejorative is a little problematic. What is the difference between that and using "feminist" as a pejorative, to indicate

Programming languages for the circuits of capital

2000-11-07 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
The journal Computational Economics has a great little article on the choice of computer languages for modeling economic systems. For those who are computationally inclined or know those who are, it offers an interesting way of looking at non-neoclassical econ. classics. It's currently free so

RE: Re: Re: capitalism, patriarchy wealth (+ Lowell Museums)

2000-11-07 Thread Mikalac Norman S NSSC
as an aside to this discussion, while visiting a daughter in Natick, MA last summer i also visited the Lowell Museum and was treated to a fantastic voyage into the beginnings of the US industrial revolution; machinery and all in a reburbished but original operating cotton-cloth factory. Lowell

Re: Chattel Slavery, Colonialism, Capitalism

2000-11-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Hi Mat! Can you name three authors who propose A.? I don't know of anyone (so I would say name one, but this is how you characterize Lou's argument, so I want to save time). Certainly no one I can think of writing in the Williams-Rodney thesis tradition. I am certainly willing to hear the

Re: Castro on US elections.

2000-11-07 Thread Chris Burford
Largely true, but what reform, short of a revolution could change this? Or, to be more practical, what reform to change this, could contribute to a revolutionary movement? Chris Burford London At 22:40 04/11/00 -0600, you wrote: "The United States, such a vocal advocate of multi-party

nader 3%?

2000-11-07 Thread Michael Perelman
What do you think of the reports that many of the Nader voters are defecting to Gore? What a shame. If Gore wins, he will bear the blame for the recession, showing the Democrats that they need to be even more market friendly. Venting, -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California

Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:40 PM 11/7/00 -0800, you wrote: What do you think of the reports that many of the Nader voters are defecting to Gore? What a shame. If Gore wins, he will bear the blame for the recession, showing the Democrats that they need to be even more market friendly. don't worry about the

Re: Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting for Nader If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll regret not voting for Nader. Many, of course, will not

voting

2000-11-07 Thread Jim Devine
Voting is like giving blood: it's painful, sort of disgusting, but they give you a little sticker to show that you did it! Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine "Is it peace or is it Prozac?" -- Cheryl Wheeler.

The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday, 7 Nov 2000 -- 4:90 (#485)

2000-11-07 Thread Paul Kneisel
FOR THE HOLIDAYS: Many shift their e-mail providers around this time of year. Please be sure to send us a change of address if you do so. We don't ask you for money to support the journal. But you can help by mentioning the newsletter to friends you see over the

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Eugene Coyle wrote: Many, of course, will not comprehend that Gore has sold them out, and they'll fume that the poor president can't get anything done, just as they have excused Gore/Clinton for their environmental sell-out for the past eight years. This is crucial to understand the power

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Brad De Long
Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting for Nader If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll regret not voting for Nader. Many, of course, will not

Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-07 Thread Paul_A
If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. Brad: Surely by now you have caught the point: people don't feel there is ENOUGH of a difference to endure a permanent abandonment by the Democratic Party of many of its

Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-07 Thread Brad De Long
If you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. Brad: Surely by now you have caught the point: people don't feel there is ENOUGH of a difference If the issues are that important, then even small differences are

Re: Re: Nader 3? Blaming who?

2000-11-07 Thread Paul_A
Sorry, I don't think you want to listen (and this has been the larger problem all along) and I'd rather not continue in this tone. Signing off for now. PA PS I am not a faction You shoot yourself in the foot and then look around for someone else to blame? Why not be an adult, recognize that

Re: Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Eugene Coyle
Brad De Long wrote: Just reflecting on Nader getting 3%. If Bush wins the enviros who agonized over the vote, and then voted for Gore will lose. They'll regret not voting for Nader If Gore wins, he will, with certainty, sell out the enviros, and then they'll regret not voting for

Re: Re: Re: nader 3?

2000-11-07 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
BDLIf you think there's no difference between a Clinton-Gore EPA and a Bush-Cheny EPA you need to have your brain overhauled. Why is it that the people who claim to care the most about issues so often turn out to care the least about them? Brad DeLong * Why has the air in the